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re: DACA is a made up crisis. Can someone explain why children of criminals are culpable?
Posted on 9/6/17 at 8:54 am to FT
Posted on 9/6/17 at 8:54 am to FT
The hyperbolic arguments from both sides are so ridiculous and illustrate the political divide in this country. All of these DACA recipients are not kids. Most are adult aged. The vast majority are not criminals or gang members or violent people. None of them are eligible for any welfare programs. They were all brought here prior to 2007 by their parents. They all just want to stay in the country they came of age in, the country they were educated in, the country that gave them an opportunity.
Also for those children whose parents simply overstayed their Visa, their parents are technically not criminals. Overstaying a Visa is a civil offense, not a criminal one.
Also for those children whose parents simply overstayed their Visa, their parents are technically not criminals. Overstaying a Visa is a civil offense, not a criminal one.
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Posted on 9/6/17 at 8:55 am to FT
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Someone brings their child to a bank robbery. You Iocking up the kid?
No. You get DHR to pack their stuff and send them to live with their relatives (who, in this case, happen to live in Mexico.)
Posted on 9/6/17 at 9:17 am to FT
Think that was 100% joke.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 9:49 am to Ace Midnight
Applying for citizenship literally takes like 3 years. Who could put their life on hold for that long?
Posted on 9/6/17 at 9:57 am to C
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They aren't being charged with anything. Yet. If i broke into your home with my kids in tow. Would my kids be allowed to stay in the home indefinitely?
That depends. Is one of them an almost 18 year old hottie? She can stay.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 9:57 am to FT
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I can't think of a time that children dragged to a crime scene were charged with something.
You're an idiot
IF these kids had entered the US with their parents then left, yes then it would be stupid to charge them with illegally entering the country. BUT they are STILL in this country illegally. That means regardless of how they got here, they ARE here illegally.
WHy can't you dishonest liberals just admit that and then argue for some sort of plan to give them lenience rather than denying basic facts? Oh that's right, liberalism is a brain disorder.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 10:03 am to el Gaucho
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Applying for citizenship literally takes like 3 years. Who could put their life on hold for that long?
Applying for citizenship takes 10+ years. Green card is 2+.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 10:04 am to Homesick Tiger
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And I can't think of another crime that so openly flaunts the law as illegal immigration does.
Maybe contempt of court?
Posted on 9/6/17 at 10:06 am to M. A. Ryland
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We aren't trying to through them in jail, just send them home.
They are home. They are in the only place they ever remember being home.
And we wouldn't send them home. Most of the time they would be put in the custody of a foster home.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 10:11 am to The Spleen
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Also for those children whose parents simply overstayed their Visa, their parents are technically not criminals. Overstaying a Visa is a civil offense, not a criminal one.
Entering the country illegally is also a civil offense. That may sound better, but breaking the law is breaking the law, whether it's a civil offense or a criminal one.
I'm for some lenience for these kids, but god damned, it's about time Trump plays hardball. The left doesn't want to negotiate at all, so frick them.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 10:13 am to FT
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I can't think of a time that children dragged to a crime scene were charged with something.
Dumb analogy is dumb.
If the parents robbed a bank and then put that money in a trust for their kid...that doesn't mean the kid gets to keep the money.
I am open to a reasonable compromise on DACA, but your logic is just stupid.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 10:17 am to el Gaucho
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Applying for citizenship literally takes like 3 years. Who could put their life on hold for that long?
Maybe someone who thinks moving here would give them a better life? If it's so bad where they're from and so great here, wouldn't a few years be worth it to move here legally and enjoy all of the benefits that go along with being an American citizen?
Posted on 9/6/17 at 11:24 am to FT
Looks like op isn't going to come back and defend his shitty thread.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 11:29 am to FT
quote:I can't think of a time someone committed a crime, and they got off because "well, I have kids, so you have to let me go".
I can't think of a time that children dragged to a crime scene were charged with something.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 11:39 am to FT
Heard this on TV - "My parents brought me here when I was 13, and this is my country."
Uh, no, it's not your country. Go through the citizenship process, then it will be.
MAGA
Uh, no, it's not your country. Go through the citizenship process, then it will be.
MAGA
Posted on 9/6/17 at 11:46 am to FT
This is a terrible and dishonest analogy.
Democrats generally have no ethics, and a twisted, political morality, so it is expected.
Democrats generally have no ethics, and a twisted, political morality, so it is expected.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 11:48 am to Taxing Authority
ANd the gong peole are ignoring.. it is illegal for the kids to be here too. It's not like we're taking law-abiding people and sending me back. We're taking about illegal immigrants and sending threm back.
If they don't like how they got here, they should ask their parents about that. It's their fault. Not the government's.
If they don't like how they got here, they should ask their parents about that. It's their fault. Not the government's.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 12:00 pm to FT
quote:try dropping your kids off to live illegally in any other country in the world
FT
Posted on 9/6/17 at 1:08 pm to el Gaucho
quote:Huh? Everyone keeps saying "they've been here for almost their whole life". WTF have they been waiting for?
Applying for citizenship literally takes like 3 years. Who could put their life on hold for that long?
This post was edited on 9/6/17 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 9/6/17 at 1:39 pm to FT
The parents broke the law, and their children did also by accompanying them. If you try to sneak into another country with your children, your whole family will be arrested, detained, and deported if you are lucky. The parents, more so the father, may face imprisonment before the deportation.
I have seen then in Russia and a few other countries as an expat.
Follow the rules. If the rules are too barbaric, Congress should pass a law changing the rules.
The Democrats gave use ObamaCare with their supermajority, they could have changed the immigration laws too if they really cared about the DREAMERS and other illegal aliens. They talk about caring, but didn't do anything productive on the immigration front with 2 years of a supermajority in Congress.
Democrats are trying to by votes of the Hispanics as they are a growing voting block. However they didn't try to help them when they have all of the power in the federal government.
I have seen then in Russia and a few other countries as an expat.
Follow the rules. If the rules are too barbaric, Congress should pass a law changing the rules.
The Democrats gave use ObamaCare with their supermajority, they could have changed the immigration laws too if they really cared about the DREAMERS and other illegal aliens. They talk about caring, but didn't do anything productive on the immigration front with 2 years of a supermajority in Congress.
Democrats are trying to by votes of the Hispanics as they are a growing voting block. However they didn't try to help them when they have all of the power in the federal government.
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