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C.S. Lewis on "democracy" (1959)

Posted on 5/8/23 at 2:05 pm
Posted by burger bearcat
Member since Oct 2020
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Posted on 5/8/23 at 2:05 pm
Context. This is an excerpt from the epilogue in the Screwtape Letters written in 1959, 17 years after the novel was orignally publishee. It is written as a speech/toast from a demon at a banquet speaking to other demons about their successes over mankind.

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Democracy is the word with which you must lead them by the nose. The good work which our philological experts have already done in the corruption of human language makes it unnecessary to warn you that they should never be allowed to give this word a clear and definable meaning. They won’t. It will never occur to them that democracy is properly the name of a political system, even a system of voting, and that this has only the most remote and tenuous connection with what you are trying to sell them. Nor of course must they ever be allowed to raise Aristotle’s question: whether “democratic behaviour” means the behaviour that democracies like or the behaviour that will preserve a democracy. For if they did, it could hardly fail to occur to them that these need not be the same.


You are to use the word purely as an incantation; if you like, purely for its selling power. It is a name they venerate. And of course it is connected with the political ideal that men should be equally treated. You then make a stealthy transition in their minds from this political ideal to a factual belief that all men are equal. Especially the man you are working on. As a result you can use the word democracy to sanction in his thought the most degrading (and also the least enjoyable) of human feelings. You can get him to practise, not only without shame but with a positive glow of self-approval, conduct which, if undefended by the magic word, would be universally derided.
This post was edited on 5/8/23 at 3:03 pm
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
61038 posts
Posted on 5/8/23 at 2:31 pm to
90% of Zoomers have no idea what he just said. They’d need AI to interpret that level of prose.
Posted by white perch
the bright, happy side of hell
Member since Apr 2012
7652 posts
Posted on 5/8/23 at 2:40 pm to
I doubt there are many college age kids that can comprehend that passage.
Posted by burger bearcat
Member since Oct 2020
10506 posts
Posted on 5/8/23 at 3:06 pm to
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I doubt there are many college age kids that can comprehend that passage.


Or just average Americans of any age group. I can't imagine regular viewers of "The View" understanding anything what Lewis is discussing.
Posted by H1N1
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 5/8/23 at 3:10 pm to
Nobody actually wants democracy, it is simply a legitimating concept for power which gives the illusion of control to the populace where none exists. It might die out as soon as the boomers do.
This post was edited on 5/8/23 at 3:11 pm
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
104488 posts
Posted on 5/8/23 at 3:13 pm to
I’m surprised he hasn’t been cancelled yet from beyond the grave.

They are still teaching The Lion The Witch And The Wardrobe in schools despite it being a Christian allegory.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
23777 posts
Posted on 5/8/23 at 3:14 pm to
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Nobody actually wants democracy

I certainly do.

I just happen to believe that it should only exist within a moral and ideologically similar peer group.

Democracy in a peer group that is highly ideologically divergent is the imposition of tyranny on the minority and is inherently unethical.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 5/8/23 at 3:15 pm to
I wonder how long it will until CS Lewis is banned.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 5/8/23 at 3:16 pm to
I miss Tucker's mockery of the word "democracy". He did it to make fun of politicians, especially Democrat politicians in the way they use the word "democracy" in the exact way C.S. Lewis describes in your excerpt from the Srewtape Letters.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 5/8/23 at 3:19 pm to
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90% of Zoomers have no idea what he just said. They’d need AI to interpret that level of prose.
90% of the POPULATION, unfortunately.
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
42282 posts
Posted on 5/8/23 at 3:27 pm to
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I wonder how long it will until CS Lewis is banned.

They'll call his works Russian disinformation and half the country will want his books burned.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
117711 posts
Posted on 5/8/23 at 3:45 pm to
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I wonder how long it will until CS Lewis is banned.


The Screwtape Letters was required reading at some Catholic HSs in the 60s. It's a great book.
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