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CPI for December comes in hot

Posted on 1/11/24 at 8:39 am
Posted by ScottFowler
NE Ohio
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 1/11/24 at 8:39 am
Zerohedge

Here comes that second wave of inflation. Could be just like the 70s.
Powell better not take his foot off the brake.
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
30547 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 8:40 am to
Nah man, I have it on good authority that it only appears that our dollar is not going as far at the grocery stores... Trust the Turnip...
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
54044 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 8:42 am to
Inflation running at 3-4% annually may look pretty good by mid 2024.
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
179860 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 8:42 am to
The market was pricing in 6 rate cuts in 2024


Futures Markets Expect 6 Rate Cuts in 2024, Versus 4 Earlier


Inflation is still not under control so I don't see how we get 6 rate cuts.

I think the market got a little too optimistic. Unfortunately, there is going to have to be some pain felt to tame inflation and we haven't felt it yet because the Fed is still trying for that elusive soft landing.
Posted by Lynxrufus2012
Central Kentucky
Member since Mar 2020
18545 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 8:42 am to
How can that be? Bidenomics is so wonderful! How dare you use real data and not stick to the Dim narrative.
Posted by CleverUserName
Member since Oct 2016
16458 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 8:45 am to
I had the business channel on this morning and I thought I heard them say that the market has 4 rate cuts priced in this year?? I nearly spit out my toothpaste.

Edit: I see it’s 6. There’s no way. No way unless there is an economic whiplash.

This post was edited on 1/11/24 at 8:47 am
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
54044 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 8:46 am to
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Nah man, I have it on good authority that it only appears that our dollar is not going as far at the grocery stores... Trust the Turnip...


The majority of Americans, particularly those who vote Dim are unaware that 20-25% inflation over the past 3 years is akin to losing 20-25% of their purchasing power or it's like taking a pay cut of 20-25%
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
54044 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 8:48 am to
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The market was pricing in 6 rate cuts in 2024


I've noticed many new car dealerships are back to the $5k off sticker price and 2.9% 72 month financing, they must believe the Fed is coming to their rescue.
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
30547 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 8:48 am to
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particularly those who vote Dim are unaware that 20-25% inflation over the past 3 years is akin to losing 20-25% of their purchasing power


Well, when you are on government assistance and it is raised and you are not having to work for it, then I would not expect them to understand what the working folks are going through...

Anyone that is working out a living in this country understands their dollar is not going as far as it was a couple of years ago... Now who they blame for their woes is another thing...

This is all by design and the electorate in general is stupid when it comes to personal finance...
Posted by Longhorn Actual
Member since Dec 2023
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Posted on 1/11/24 at 8:53 am to
As far back as 2016-2017, I was in some pretty heated discussions about the need to raise rates while the economy was healthy enough to take it. I could see this problem coming from way back then, COVID notwithstanding (COVID made it worse, but this was coming anyway).

That ship has sailed and now more recently, I've been blasted for saying rates needed to be double digits to fix it. It has to be Volcker'd at this point.

Rate cuts in 2024? Rate CUTS? Sure, if you want to throw gasoline on a fire.

FFS. I'm JAFG and I understand it. Surely the "best and brightest" do too.
This post was edited on 1/11/24 at 8:56 am
Posted by ScottFowler
NE Ohio
Member since Sep 2012
4609 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 8:55 am to
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they must believe the Fed is coming to their rescue.


The markets are addicted to rate cuts / Hopium.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
54044 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 8:55 am to
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That ship has sailed and now more recently, I've been blasted for saying rates needed to be double digits to fix it. Rate cuts in 2024? Rate CUTS? Sure, if you want to throw gasoline on a fire. FFS. I'm JAFG and I understand it. Surely the "best and brightest" do too.


The Fed is as much political as it is a manager of monetary policy.
Posted by CleverUserName
Member since Oct 2016
16458 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 9:02 am to
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The Fed is as much political as it is a manager of monetary policy.


That is true and unfortunate. Political just like everything else that is “nonpartisan”. Just like the CBO, the DOJ, and the FED.


They will do whatever it takes to bandage the economy this year no matter what happens on the back end. Gotta sway that election.


When that is said…. Maybe they will just shove through 4-6 cuts. Then slam the brakes again in December and strangle with rate hikes in 25.
Posted by Longhorn Actual
Member since Dec 2023
2918 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 9:02 am to
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The Fed is as much political as it is a manager of monetary policy.



This is true.

Another thing that is often overlooked is the relationship between Monetary policy and Fiscal policy. They are controlled by 2 different entities (FED vs. the government).

They can work together (in either direction, expansionary or contractionary), they can cancel each other out, or one can slowly overpower the other.

The FED can raise rates all they want (contractionary Monetary policy), but if government spending grows (expansionary Fiscal policy), the hikes have little effect, are blunted, or at best, they're delayed.

The FED has to have the balls to overpower this stupid government's expansionary policy. But doing so means massive rate hikes, which obviously hurts businesses and will break a few things. Even then, the government could continue to hook itself up while everyone else suffers.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135855 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 9:05 am to
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The market was pricing in 6 rate cuts in 2024
That’s important because the market will not take the news of fewer rate cuts well.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
66986 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 9:06 am to
Aren't we screwed with the debt situation if there are rate hikes? I came across some doom porn at the end of last year that had me thinking this.
Underestimating Washington D.C.'s debt trap.
Twas the Financial Nightmare Before Christmas podcast.
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
179860 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 9:08 am to
We're screwed either way until we start actually cutting spending and get serious about debt reduction
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
58032 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 9:08 am to
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Powell better not take his foot off the brake.


JPow isn't breaking, just cruising.

Inflation is remaining extremely sticky at just under 4%, the only thing keeping it from going back up is that energy costs have dropped (and are still trending downward). That's a GREAT thing, but if the House of Saud decides to tighten production, it could send inflation back up.

The market lives on hopium, anyone expecting 6 rate cuts in 2024 is/was delusional. We'll be lucky to get 3.
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
43249 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 9:09 am to
Just sit back and enjoy the soft landing.
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
35706 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 9:12 am to
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Trust the Turnip

You know, I actually trust the cranial capacity of a freshly harvested turnip far more than I trust President* Potato Brain.
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