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Posted on 1/25/21 at 10:08 pm to how333
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Oh! OK then. I'll just believe the media, the biden admin, and big pharma. I trust they'll tell me the truth.
I find it interesting you are talking to an actual ID doc (Roger Klarvin) but somehow you seem to think you know more than them about the subject.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 11:16 pm to Roger Klarvin
You linked one USA Today article claiming to debunk something.
I have links to all the stuff I’m saying. I’m glad a poster after me brought up the study regarding ferrets. It’s probably similar to the reason they recently killed many mink. It’s the ADE I was referencing.
As far as the previous comment about the nursing home, 13 of the people died because of the side effects from the vaccine. This is similar to what caused Hank Aaron’s death. Why people over the age of 80 are being given a vaccine that has side effects is beyond me.
If this does meet the definition of vaccine, why are people continuing to get the virus and why do they say it might not prevent you from getting or spreading the virus?
I have links to all the stuff I’m saying. I’m glad a poster after me brought up the study regarding ferrets. It’s probably similar to the reason they recently killed many mink. It’s the ADE I was referencing.
As far as the previous comment about the nursing home, 13 of the people died because of the side effects from the vaccine. This is similar to what caused Hank Aaron’s death. Why people over the age of 80 are being given a vaccine that has side effects is beyond me.
If this does meet the definition of vaccine, why are people continuing to get the virus and why do they say it might not prevent you from getting or spreading the virus?
Posted on 1/26/21 at 12:36 am to Lickitty Split
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It’s the ADE I was referencing.
But you clearly have no nuanced understanding of this topic. ADE is not some uniform phenomena that either always happens or never does with respect to a given antigen exposure. Generally speaking it's far more a product of the host, rather than what the host is being exposed to. Some people by the nature of their immune systems are more prone to developing non-neutralizing antibodies than others, and this is the basis of the increased risk for developing ADE. Now some viruses by their nature are seen more commonly with respect to ADE, but the vast majority of people exposed to ANY virus or vaccine will not experience this. And with respect to vaccines, numerous methods are in place to absolutely minimize the risk of this in human subjects.
What you're doing is akin taking isolated cases of sudden cardiac death during sleep and telling children there's a demon coming to steal their soul in the night on this basis.
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As far as the previous comment about the nursing home, 13 of the people died because of the side effects from the vaccine.
You're thinking on this is backwards. Some elderly, infirmed individuals each with a very high annual mortality rate relative to the general population died in relatively close proximity to receiving their COVID vaccine. The same can be said every year of the flu vaccine, or having a bowel movement, or going for a Sunday car ride. You can take literally ANY event and find an anecdotally correlative relationship with death in an elderly population if you include enough people in the analysis.
If you give enough old people ANYTHING, some of them are going to die very soon after getting it by random chance alone. It does not mean whatever you gave them had any bearing on their death.
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This is similar to what caused Hank Aaron’s death.
Hank Aaron reportedly died of a massive stroke, a common occurrence in men (especially African American men with hypertension) of his age. You have no basis whatsoever to claim his death was related to the vaccine in any way. The temporal relationship alone is far more likely to simply be blind coincidence.
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Why people over the age of 80 are being given a vaccine that has side effects is beyond me.
All vaccines have potential side effects. Every medication every one of those elderly people take has a FAR greater rate of side effects than any vaccine they will ever receive. Medicine is all about the risk/benefit ratio, and mortality in that age group can be up to 20% from COVID19 if you possess certain comorbid condition. NOBODY at that age is more at risk from the vaccine than they are from COVID unless they have a very clear history of anaphylaxis to one of the vaccine ingredients (which is exceedingly rare).
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If this does meet the definition of vaccine, why are people continuing to get the virus and why do they say it might not prevent you from getting or spreading the virus?
The same reason some people don't respond to literally every vaccine ever invented for any disease. This is basic, fundamental virology and immunology.
This post was edited on 1/26/21 at 12:39 am
Posted on 1/26/21 at 3:13 am to Bmath
quote:Well this mRNA vaccine is designed to produce a limited amount of spike proteins, which in turn should produce a limited amount of antibodies. When you have an active virus infection, your immune system is going gang busters producing these antibodies because the virus is present and replicating exponentially. I’m not saying there won’t be outliers where the vaccine causes clots, but those outliers run a much greater risk of having this reaction by catching the virus naturally.
Now take a minute to read about autoantibody occurrences in Covid patients leading to embolism or worse. Then explain how this WON’T happen to you after being vaccinated.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 3:14 am to deltaland
Long term effects of Covid vaccine = Dem rule forever.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 5:14 am to deltaland
Saw that couple weeks ago, I shared with a friend who was gonna get the virus, He not taking it after seeing that, People need to use their brains,and think for themselves. don't let yourself be controled by a group of communist
Posted on 1/26/21 at 5:25 am to Roger Klarvin
quote:There is that word again shite that does it, Every Dr world wide is a conspiracy theorist huh.
conspiracy theoris
SO what if it was given at FAITH HEALING SEMINAR, why should it be a massive red flag
This post should be a MASSIVE RED FLAG you go get it the vaccine I'll pass but thanks for you alternative view
Posted on 1/26/21 at 5:37 am to deltaland
SOON,
Posted on 1/26/21 at 6:46 am to OBReb6
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I’d like to try and do what I can before completely giving up on the country but whatever
Putting a symbolic diaper on your face to show your subservience is not "doing what you can" to me. If it checks some emotional box for you, have at it.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 7:50 am to OBReb6
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If you refuse to take the vaccine you’re not allowed to bitch about masks and restrictions
The masks and restrictions have done such a good job in changing the trajectory of the disease.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 7:54 am to the808bass
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The masks and restrictions have done such a good job in changing the trajectory of the disease.
Such a low iq post. Unreal
Posted on 1/26/21 at 7:54 am to Roger Klarvin
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NOBODY at that age is more at risk from the vaccine than they are from COVID unless they have a very clear history of anaphylaxis to one of the vaccine ingredients (which is exceedingly rare).
Roger is literally killing it in here.
Well, not much to add.
Just amazed at the tin hat people out there.
The most important side effect of the vaccine is that it pretty much makes you safe against the virus. Even if you get it, it likely won't be much of an illness.
And yes I know it's the purpose of the vaccine and not a side effect.
I do find all of this very interesting. At least the tin foil people on this board are consistent. They didn't want the vaccine.
The liberals were against the vaccine but now are slobbering to get the vaccine.
By the way, I got the vaccine and I never turned into a flesh eating zombie.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 8:05 am to The Nino
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Well this mRNA vaccine is designed to produce a limited amount of spike proteins, which in turn should produce a limited amount of antibodies. When you have an active virus infection, your immune system is going gang busters producing these antibodies because the virus is present and replicating exponentially. I’m not saying there won’t be outliers where the vaccine causes clots, but those outliers run a much greater risk of having this reaction by catching the virus naturally.
First off, you get a stronger antibody response from the vaccine than from the virus.
Second of all, so with the clot nonsense. It is my understanding that the overwhelming cytokine storm done patients develop cause in increase in clotting factors and thus clots.
Patients being the vaccine won't get the virus and then won't get anything associated with the virus except the antibodies.
So not to be mean but no. Vaccine gives a stronger antiviral response than the vast majority of illnesses from the virus.
And no clotting problem from the vaccine. That is an immune modulation issue that develops secondary to the cyyokine storm.
Roger I'm sure can clarify further...
Posted on 1/26/21 at 8:05 am to thetempleowl
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I got the vaccine and I never turned into a flesh eating zombie
Check back in 2-3 years and let us know I fou're still all good.
Personally I'll take the risk that I have a 0.004% chance of dying from the disease, much less the reduced chances when you factor in the low chance I even get it at all.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 8:23 am to deltaland
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In one instance a 2 dose vaccine like we have now was used on ferrets and it appeared to work initially, only for EVERY ferret that took it died 2 years later when exposed normally to the virus, and it was due to immune system issues caused by the vaccine so it was never approved.
You’re implying a covid vaccine was developed over two years ago and ferrets part of that trial run are now dying but also the vaccine was never approved. I don’t know what type of mental gymnastics you had to undertake to buy that drivel.
Will the vaccine have some long term side effects? Possibly but they aren’t killing everyone in two years and they aren’t inserting a chip. Take the tin foil off for a second and maybe take a break from the interwebs
Posted on 1/26/21 at 8:52 am to statman34
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The vaccine is not going to intentionally kill anyone
How can you be so sure of intentions?
Posted on 1/26/21 at 9:22 am to BiteMe2020
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Not taking the vaccine ever.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 10:20 am to ShoeBang
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Personally I'll take the risk that I have a 0.004% chance of dying from the disease, much less the reduced chances when you factor in the low chance I even get it at all.
The thing that nobody wants to account for is the morbidity associated with COVID. Mortality isn’t the only thing that matters. Yes, I’ve had only a handful of young healthy patients die from this disease. I’ve had quite a few however who have required home oxygen for some period of time, are still experiencing chronic debility from respiratory decompensation, suffering the effects of blood clots, etc. Up to 20% of patients are experiencing some degree of “post-covid” syndrome that can be prolonged.
What really separates COVID from influenza in the younger demographics is the morbidity rates, not mortality.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 10:21 am to Roger Klarvin
Exactly. I said it in April last year and I’ll say it again:
There is a wide gulf between “perfectly fine” and “dead”.
There is a wide gulf between “perfectly fine” and “dead”.
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