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re: Court Rules 12-Year-Old's Mother Cannot Read Her the Bible, Take Her to Church
Posted on 11/29/25 at 8:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 11/29/25 at 8:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
I’m not an attorney, but reading the order it sounds to me that the court decided to hand the religious decision-making to the secular father who has shown no interest in his daughter’s spiritual well-being until after his ex took her to an anti-abortion protest.
If a kid’s “anxiety” over hell and the rapture rises to the level of a state having an interest in the child’s well-being then there’s several thousand southern Baptist churches we should be pointing them towards.
If a kid’s “anxiety” over hell and the rapture rises to the level of a state having an interest in the child’s well-being then there’s several thousand southern Baptist churches we should be pointing them towards.
This post was edited on 11/29/25 at 8:41 pm
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Posted on 11/29/25 at 8:45 pm to RelentlessAnalysis
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RelentlessAnalysis
That's great, but you never said, "Wait, you guys, the court probably gave the dad the tie breaker vote about attending a specific church, but it would never dictate that the girl couldn't look at the Bible at home with her mother."
Nope, you defended the entire (now revealed to be partially false) concept on the basis of court precedence, not on the basis of what the order actually said. Not until SFP chimed in.
Like I said, you didn't read it either. Not until then. Did you?
If you had, you would have made an entirely different argument.
Posted on 11/29/25 at 8:46 pm to RelentlessAnalysis
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"Dad has the ultimate final say" versus "try to agree, but if you cannotagree, then Dad will have the final say."
You are making a distinction without a difference.
No I'm not, because that was never any argument I made.
Posted on 11/29/25 at 9:02 pm to Snazzmeister
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until after his ex took her to an anti-abortion protest.
The mom lied about taking the child to an anti-abortion protest
And did you read the part about the sermon? Where the "preacher" discussed the custody battle in front of the entire congregation and implied the father was evil?
Just reading that sermon, I knew what the church and pastor looked like. And I was pretty close
Posted on 11/29/25 at 9:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:I've not found this. Link?
And did you read the part about the sermon? Where the "preacher" discussed the custody battle in front of the entire congregation and implied the father was evil?
Posted on 11/29/25 at 9:08 pm to RelentlessAnalysis
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I've not found this. Link?
I already linked the order....
You're proving wackatimesthree's point
Posted on 11/29/25 at 9:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:I pulled the Order language that I quoted from the mother's appellate brief. LINK See pages 17-18
You're proving wackatimesthree's point
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I just read the sermon. HOLY shite. Does that idiot have any idea how much he hurt his parishioner's case?
I did not initially notice that the MOTHER quoted this sermon in her appellate brief. See pp. 13-16. What the HELL were her lawyers thinking?
This post was edited on 11/29/25 at 9:33 pm
Posted on 11/29/25 at 9:13 pm to L.A.
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that Calvary Chapel is a cult
Definition of cult: A cult is a group with excessive devotion to a person, object, or belief, often involving unusual and extreme spiritual or philosophical beliefs
Calvary Chapel “churches” have an excessive devotion to the anti-Christian State of Israel…so yep…they’re a cult.
Posted on 11/29/25 at 9:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The mom lied about taking the child to an anti-abortion protest
Lied by omission, I suppose. There’s a pretty common theme in the order, from BLM t-shirts to public school vs homeschooling; the father and mother obviously hold different belief systems and the court appears to prefer the father’s more woke ideology.
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And did you read the part about the sermon? Where the "preacher" discussed the custody battle in front of the entire congregation and implied the father was evil?
Yes. I don’t find it abnormal that a pastor would categorize someone who wants to stop a child from attending church as evil. I suppose that requires a Biblical world view, but the entire premise of Abrahamic religions is a battle between good and evil. Like I said, if those beliefs rise to a compelling state’s interest in the child’s well-being, they better start writing some injunctions cause they’re going to be at it a while.
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Just reading that sermon, I knew what the church and pastor looked like. And I was pretty close
Okay?
Posted on 11/29/25 at 9:23 pm to Snazzmeister
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Lied by omission, I suppose.
In this instance it's the same thing, and lying about something like this in a custody case is a huge no-no, religious-base or non-religious subject.
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Yes. I don’t find it abnormal that a pastor would categorize someone who wants to stop a child from attending church as evil
The fact that the pastor not only discussed the case in front of the child, but the entire congregation (especially with all the peer pressure claimed that is used by the church) is a YUGE no no in a custody case.
Parents and their agents are not supposed to discuss the custody case with/around the child. This fricking dickhead did it in front of an entire church.
In a custody case, when there is a variable causing a parent to act improperly and leading to pathological behavior in order to protect that impropriety, it's very likely a court will give power to the other parent who isn't acting improperly to restrict that pathology.
The funny part is the tripling down by the lawyers for the mother. When did Jesus and God support lying? Is this a form of Taqiyya?
Posted on 11/29/25 at 9:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The fact that the pastor not only discussed the case in front of the child, but the entire congregation (especially with all the peer pressure claimed that is used by the church) is a YUGE no no in a custody case. Parents and their agents are not supposed to discuss the custody case with/around the child. This fricking dickhead did it in front of an entire church.
Does the court consider your pastor an “agent”?
I get that the court doesn’t want anything to unfairly prejudice the father’s relationship, but it seems unavoidable given the circumstances.
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In a custody case, when there is a variable causing a parent to act improperly and leading to pathological behavior in order to protect that impropriety, it's very likely a court will give power to the other parent who isn't acting improperly to restrict that pathology.
I didn’t get the sense that the ruling came from any “pathological behavior”, so much as the court disagreeing with the mother’s parenting decisions (the medical decisions being most obvious) and the “harm” the church was causing the girl.
If the basis for the court’s ruling is to prevent harm to the child. That harm being the anxiety caused by the child’s fear of salvation. In its ruling, the court effectively did the most harm to the child by guaranteeing she can no longer attend the church.
Posted on 11/29/25 at 11:13 pm to Narax
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I would say even non denominational churches have their fair share of duds, though beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Listen, Fat, here in the Catholic Church, we don't even LIKE charismatic preachers, even if he is a Priest. We can't say it out loud, but, we don't like them.
I'm not sure that God does, either.
We barely tolerate them.
This post was edited on 11/30/25 at 12:00 am
Posted on 11/30/25 at 7:09 am to Champagne
I've always been a much bigger fan of Catholic masses than the derivative Pentecostal and Baptist progeny based around energy from music and the preacher.
A pensive sermon/production creates an actual connection with the scripture.
It doesn't need fake energy intentionally used to rile up the audience.
A pensive sermon/production creates an actual connection with the scripture.
It doesn't need fake energy intentionally used to rile up the audience.
Posted on 11/30/25 at 7:40 am to Bama Mountain
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she started having severe panic attacks and exhibited alarming psychological signs — like leaving notes around the house that said "the rapture is coming."
I saw something like this on TV- a woman who said, as a girl, she would wake up in the middle of the night and run to her parents’ room to make sure they hadn’t been raptured because she wasn’t convinced she was good enough to be raptured herself.
Posted on 11/30/25 at 7:59 am to antibarner
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Ordinarily I'd stand with the Constitution, but IMO Islam is a Death Cult.
Does Islam use a torturous murder device as its main symbol? Do the tenants of Islam wear the symbol of that torture device around their necks on little chains? Are the Muslims saved because of the death of their god-man? Do Muslims believe their god-man will return to kill all the unrighteous?
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Any religion that tells you to kill and enslave anyone that is not one of you?
Can you guess these scriptures? Hint: they aren’t from the Quran.
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Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.
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Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man… But all the young girls … keep alive for yourselves
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As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from the nations that are around you. You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you. You may then bequeath them to your sons after you, to inherit as a possession forever.
Posted on 11/30/25 at 8:10 am to imjustafatkid
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None of our laws work if the basis is not Christianity. How stupid are you? Essentially, this court has ruled that this mother cannot raise her child using the foundation of our laws.
Fat kid, at a high level, our laws are based on pre-Christian Greek and Roman philosophy and republican government.
We aren’t enslaving people, stoning adulterers, stoning those who pick up sticks on the sabbath, etc. compare the 10 commandments (either set from Exodus 20 or 34) and you’ll see we have laws opposite of just about all of it. We can practice religion any way we choose or don’t choose, including worshipping other gods and that’s part of our first amendment to the constitution. We don’t have to honor our parents. We don’t have to keep the sabbath holy. Coveting sort of drives our capitalistic system of government. We don’t have to love our neighbor. And we can boil a baby goat in its mother’s milk if we want, and there’s no risk of getting stoned to death for it.
Posted on 11/30/25 at 9:05 am to McLemore
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Tongues were temporary, purposeful, intelligible languages, not an ongoing private prayer language or continuing gift in the church today.
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So, the Bible itself clearly supports the cessationist view and the view that this wasn’t some gibberish trancelike incantation.
How does what you said square with the first part of 1 Cor 14?
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1Pursue love, and earnestly desire the spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy. 2For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit.
By the way, thank you for your post. I learned something from you even though I didn’t agree completely with you.
Posted on 11/30/25 at 9:36 am to Snazzmeister
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If a kid’s “anxiety” over hell and the rapture rises to the level of a state having an interest in the child’s well-being then there’s several thousand southern Baptist churches we should be pointing them towards.
here's the thing jethrine the rapture is not part of official doctrine of the southern baptist convention nor is it part of any main stream protestant religion official doctrine. not one it's a fringe thing always has been.
now that's not to say when money gets tight you might hear a little end times nonsense preached in a revival at a southern baptist church. but it's not official doctrine. as dr.sutley used to tell me "i envy you catholics when it comes to doctrine, for baptist doctrine's like herding cats"
Posted on 11/30/25 at 9:39 am to L.A.
Do these clowns not read the bill of rights? Freedom of Religion, Freedom of Speech. They better start worrying about the second amendment.
Posted on 11/30/25 at 10:06 am to dickkellog
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here's the thing jethrine the rapture is not part of official doctrine of the southern baptist convention nor is it part of any main stream protestant religion official doctrine. not one it's a fringe thing always has been.
Never said it was. Only that if preaching hell or the rapture to children rises to the level of a state’s interest in the child’s well-being that there are thousands of guilty churches out there.
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