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re: Court grants Texas woman's request for emergency abortion in historic ruling
Posted on 12/8/23 at 10:18 am to Hobie101
Posted on 12/8/23 at 10:18 am to Hobie101
Lol. Blame the left that made abortion into a celebrated life achievement. Without left going further and further insane, demanding the free slaughter of viable babies, state laws wouldn't pop up to counter it in the other extreme direction.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 10:21 am to Hobie101
quote:In order to say this, you have to have a standard for what "good" looks like to measure progress or regress.
These laws are moving humanity backwards
From my perspective, laws that allow mothers to kill their children with such intent is a regression, not progression.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 10:28 am to Plx1776
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Lol. Blame the left that made abortion into a celebrated life achievement.
No sane person would do this. Yall pushing extreme and and clearly flawed examples to support your stance
Posted on 12/8/23 at 10:36 am to Hobie101
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Yall pushing extreme and and clearly flawed examples to support your stance
No.
In the modern Democrat Party, the extreme has become the Mainstream.
Yes, Democrats celebrate abortion...
Posted on 12/8/23 at 10:46 am to Hobie101
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Lol. Blame the left that made abortion into a celebrated life achievement.
No sane person would do this. Yall pushing extreme and and clearly flawed examples to support your stance
Here you are pushing a case that doesn't support your stance to support your stance. This woman likely has a valid reason for an abortion, and she seems to be against it as it indicated she has other children. She did what was necessary to get an abortion that was deemed necessary by qualified personnel. What are you arguing for here? Should she have been able to just say she has enough healthy children and doesn't want this one even if it would have been healthy? That shouldn't be a simple process by any means. It shouldn't be difficult to get a necessary abortion and it doesn't sound like it was.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 10:50 am to hawkeye007
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She had to file a lawsuit and get an injunction to have an abortion that was clearly needed.
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You can take a law to far the dems did it and now the conservatives in some states are doing the same. Most of this boards reactions are just petty.
She could have easily gone to another state. Or she could file a lawsuit. Either way she got the procedure she desired. What part of the law, specifically, do you claim goes “to” (sic) far?
Posted on 12/8/23 at 10:54 am to oogabooga68
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No.
In the modern Democrat Party, the extreme has become the Mainstream.
Yes, Democrats celebrate abortion...
Good work. You found something on the internet to support your stance.
Let's use some sense baw
Posted on 12/8/23 at 11:27 am to Hobie101
The woke aren't sane. I don't believe they are flawed examples because they've a powerful backing within the combo of corporate/Gov/msm/universities.
There're also the climate change fanatics who espouse shite about needing to utilize abortions in order to save the planet. That shite trickles down and making some of the most naive of the woke believe that by killing their viable babies, they are saving the planet.
I'm just saying, if the woke were just incoherent voices without influence, no one would give a shite. But, they do have influence. Politicians at the state level go out of their way to appease the woke. Which led to a rise of equally extreme people on the other side, demanding their own politicians step in.
I was pro choice, until pro Choice became about killing viable babies, not because of danger or health risk. They lost me even more when the common excuse would basically be "well, no one wants to raise the child, and it would drain government resources, so it's better to kill them".
There're also the climate change fanatics who espouse shite about needing to utilize abortions in order to save the planet. That shite trickles down and making some of the most naive of the woke believe that by killing their viable babies, they are saving the planet.
I'm just saying, if the woke were just incoherent voices without influence, no one would give a shite. But, they do have influence. Politicians at the state level go out of their way to appease the woke. Which led to a rise of equally extreme people on the other side, demanding their own politicians step in.
I was pro choice, until pro Choice became about killing viable babies, not because of danger or health risk. They lost me even more when the common excuse would basically be "well, no one wants to raise the child, and it would drain government resources, so it's better to kill them".
This post was edited on 12/8/23 at 11:29 am
Posted on 12/8/23 at 11:33 am to Hobie101
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Number of Posts: 375
Registered on: 5/9/2012
Still posts too much.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 12:09 pm to VOR
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It wasn’t jjust her ability to have children. Her life was at risk.
If her life was truly at risk then it met one of the law's exceptions and the only politicizing of the event was the doctor who refused to do the abortion.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 12:11 pm to hawkeye007
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She had to file a lawsuit and get an injunction to have an abortion that was clearly needed. Her life wasn't in danger thankfully.
Then it wasn't "clearly needed."
Posted on 12/8/23 at 12:15 pm to hawkeye007
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LINK
Paxton is doubling down, read his letter issued yesterday. This is why Dr's want make a sound medical decision because Paxton will still come after them.
He is. Read the letter, he is saying the abortion doctor has yet to meet the requirements of the law in order to justify it being necessary. Without quoting it all the doctor said "in good faith" the abortion is "recommended." That is not the same thing as within "reasonable medical judgement." Good for Paxton.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 12:28 pm to MFn GIMP
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Then it wasn't "clearly needed."
If you dont think a fetal abnormality that has a 90% death rate within the first year of life and in that year the child will need round the clock health monitoring and be in constant physical distress represents a clear need to allow for a medical exception.... Then what does in your opinion?
Posted on 12/8/23 at 12:41 pm to TheHumanTornado
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It is a marvel to me how many OB/GYNs we have commenting on this board/thread.
Well..I spent years delivering babies and watching mothers deliver full term still borns, and never once heard it would hinder a woman from conceiving or delivering again...Not really sure what carrying a baby with Trisomy 18 could possibly do to harm future pregnancy chances...I am sure she doesn't want to take the pregnancy to term and deliver... and would rather vacuum it out now..but I cannot see how she has an argument about future pregnancies...
Complications from the abortion have a greater chance of messing with her reproductive system than an actual vaginal birth ever would.
This sounds like a test case to get around the
"threatens the life of the mother" requirement for abortion in Texas.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 12:46 pm to VOR
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It wasn’t jjust her ability to have children. Her life was at risk.
Do tell how her LIFE was at risk by a still live fetus with Trisomy 18? Can't wait to hear this one.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 12:59 pm to ThuperThumpin
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If you dont think a fetal abnormality that has a 90% death rate within the first year of life and in that year the child will need round the clock health monitoring and be in constant
This is one of the infinite number of possibilities of a pregnancy..You roll the genetic dice every time you have sex..If you do not want to take responsibility for what may happen to you or the fetus...some disabilities are profound and last decades of expensive around the clock care (see Stephen Hawking)...then quit having sex. We cannot predict what may be a genetic consequence, or birth consequence, that may make the parents lives very hard for years to come, but we sure do know why pregnancy happens...
This post was edited on 12/8/23 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 12/8/23 at 1:29 pm to ThuperThumpin
quote:Language matters. An abortion isn't merely the termination or premature stopping of a pregnancy as many claim. A miscarriage is a natural abortion by that definition, but that's not what we're arguing for or against when we talk about abortion rights.
If you dont think a fetal abnormality that has a 90% death rate within the first year of life and in that year the child will need round the clock health monitoring and be in constant physical distress represents a clear need to allow for a medical exception.... Then what does in your opinion?
An abortion as our modern culture is discussing it is the willful act of ending the life of a preborn child in order to prevent the birth of that child. It isn't merely the act, but the motive behind it.
When a mother has a healthy pregnancy and she simply doesn't want the child any longer so she pays someone to kill the child in her womb and remove its body from hers, that is an abortion. When a mother is dying because her child is unhealthy and/or is expected to cause her death, then the removal of the child from the body is not considered an "abortion" as the politically charged word is used.
A medical procedure to deliver the child for the sake of the mother (or the child) happens all the time when the child is at term or close to it. If the child dies after delivery, it isn't considered an abortion. Likewise it isn't the same thing as an abortion when the child dies after being delivered and removed from the body of the mother; death being the result doesn't mean that death was desired, which is the vast, vast, vast majority of abortions performed today.
So with that, what you are advocating for is an abortion because the child may not survive for long after delivery, or if he/she has a poor quality of life after birth. I don't see those as reasons for "medical exceptions", and if they are, you could slide down that slope very quickly.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 1:45 pm to Hobie101
Megan Hayes just turned 40 and has Full Trisomy 18.
Not sure if the life of the mother or baby were at immediate undeniable risk.
Does carry a child full term with Edwards Syndrome make a women more likely to have pregnancy complications for future pregnancies??
Not sure if the life of the mother or baby were at immediate undeniable risk.
Does carry a child full term with Edwards Syndrome make a women more likely to have pregnancy complications for future pregnancies??
Posted on 12/8/23 at 1:51 pm to Tigahs24Seven
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We cannot predict what may be a genetic consequence, or birth consequence
Of course...but in this case and many others we can test and predict the outcome with a high probability certainty.
The question is life vs quality of life for some. When faced with that question in my own life we chose to give our loved one a fighting chance. She died two weeks later, just as the physicians advised she would. I'm still haunted by the decision that we contributed to her suffering needlessly those two weeks.
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