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re: Court allows Chauvin legal team to test George Floyd's heart tissue for appeal

Posted on 12/16/24 at 4:40 pm to
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
40429 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 4:40 pm to
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What took so long
the turnip has been squeeze beyond the beyond.
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
15883 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 4:41 pm to
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Chauvin is a prick ... but not a murderer.


What are you basing your opinion on? He followed the book and his training. Floyd died because of Fentanyl. Chauvin was thrown to the fire due to politics. So how is he a prick for doing his job
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
55769 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 4:41 pm to
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Good Chauvin is a prick ... but not a murderer.


Don't know much about Chauvin the man but I know he was performing his job as a police officer the way he was trained the day George Floyd died of drugs and chronic health conditions that were exacerbated by the restraint method used by Chauvin. There is a great documentary called the Fall of Minneapolis that goes into great detail of the George Floyd tragedy and the subsequent Summer of Love BS.
Posted by Good Times
Hill top in Tn
Member since Nov 2007
24867 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 4:42 pm to
What doesn’t get talked about or shown enough, was Floyd, handcuffed in the back of the squad car, shouting “ I can’t breath”.
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
15883 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 4:45 pm to
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Based upon the fact that he disregarded the optics.


You usually have good takes on situations but that has to be one of the more asinine statements I've read about Chauvin.

I watched every minute of the trial. A blind man could have seen he was railroaded.
This post was edited on 12/16/24 at 4:48 pm
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28181 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 5:18 pm to
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As I recall, the other officers at the scene were not comfortable with what Chauvin was doing, and Chauvin's record included a number of complaints that this union helped him skate on. That's at least some evidence of Chauvin not acting appropriately


Is this fellow officer testimony before or after the nation burned? If it's the latter then I'd be suspicious of its honesty because no one was getting in front of that wave once it got going, not even jurors.

Also, I suspect lots of police officers have complaints against them. It doesn't cost the criminal anything and may help said criminal out. I wonder if he had more or less than your average officer?

I'm open to Chauvin being a dick, but based on what I saw I'm not seeing definitive proof.
This post was edited on 12/16/24 at 5:22 pm
Posted by scrooster
Resident Ethicist
Member since Jul 2012
43950 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 5:34 pm to
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I watched every minute of the trial. A blind man could have seen he was railroaded.

He was, definitely, MOST CERTAINLY, railroaded ... but it could have been avoided.

All he had to do was turn the a-hole over, sit him up, and talk to him.

Here's the problem.

Floyd kept pleading, "I can't breath." He said it 31 times. He was panicking.

He was forceful at first, he had good air and he was saying it quickly ... but each time, he had less air, he quit saying it forcefully and it got slower and slower ... trailing off, until the end, when he finally expired.

Even them Chauvin kept the knee on him. That's bad optics.

Everyone standing there filming it knew what was happening. Floyd was dying. Not because of Chauvin's tactics ... but he was dying.

Humans have an enate fear of suffocation ... of drowning, of claustrophobia, of restriction of oxygen ... of strangulation.

Breath of life.

Chauvin showed no mercy. He refused to offer aid. He refused to show empathy.

Chauvin was a prick. He has a long documented history of being an overzealous prick.

I've seen people die from lack of 0². I've watched their necks turn blue, seen their pupils dilate and then contract ... held their hands.

Chauvin showed no human empathy. He SHOULD NOT be in jail ... he was definitely railroaded ... but he's a phuqing prick.

Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
65584 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 5:43 pm to
I've said this whole time, and I haven't seen anyone else point this out, but Floyd's actual toxicology at the time of death is just the tip of the iceberg. He's only taken that fistful of pills about 20 minutes before and was likely still coming up.

Every minute longer that he' might have lived would have given him a higher toxicity. His body was still processing the drugs.
Posted by LSUwag
Florida man
Member since Jan 2007
18110 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 5:44 pm to
I agree that Chauvin did not murder GF. What he did do was to use force by restraint for way too long. In doing so, he managed to screw over every law enforcement officer in America and even many abroad.

Life as a LEO has sucked since the GF case happened. Just now things are starting to become somewhat normal again.

Hope he wins his appeal but I still don’t like the guy one bit. He will not win an appeal on his Federal Civil Rights abuse conviction. He’s doing his time in Federal Prison, I believe.
Posted by WWII Collector
Member since Oct 2018
9032 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 5:48 pm to
Good... Let the truth be told.. either way.
Posted by Privateer 2007
Member since Jan 2020
7951 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 5:49 pm to
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technique manual... academy


I saw a purported white paper from U of Minnesota med school showing it. For excited delirium people.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
115490 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 5:49 pm to
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Even them Chauvin kept the knee on him. That's bad optics.


Bad optics are not criminal.
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
63430 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 5:55 pm to
I hope Trump pardons him on the federal rap.
This post was edited on 12/16/24 at 5:59 pm
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
59315 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 6:04 pm to
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Not often will you ever see two diametrically opposite outcomes in such a short period of time, than we saw with the George Floyd overdose death and the Ashli Babbitt murder.


Wrong example, try Tony Timpa.
Posted by vodkacop
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2008
8043 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 6:04 pm to
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What took so long?


Any reasonable person would think they were entitled to this defense if it helps exonerate them. If the judge denied this request you would think that would be enough to have the judge excused or punished for denying you your right to a fair trial.
Posted by Plx1776
Member since Oct 2017
18638 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 6:10 pm to
That poor bastard got life in prison just for being in physical contact with a person who was ODing. That shite was insane. It's still surreal to think about. It was unnerving how the court allowed jury intimidation to happen.
Posted by scrooster
Resident Ethicist
Member since Jul 2012
43950 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 6:29 pm to
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I hope Trump pardons him on the federal rap.

I do too ... but again, optics. And is that the hill to die on?

Evokes too many emotions for many.

Let the appeals courts handle that one.
Posted by Good Times
Hill top in Tn
Member since Nov 2007
24867 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 6:46 pm to
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Let the appeals courts handle that one.


I agree. It was very bad optics, especially since the majority of the public don’t know that this action is part of his training. It is also quite possible that Chauvin is a biased cop. Chauvin had worked with him before, so knew him as what he was.

BLM got paid.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
89841 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 6:50 pm to
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Chauvin SHOULD NOT be in prison. But he was a prick ... he showed no humanity whatsoever.


Floyd asked to be taken out of the car. If you watch the body cam footage the officers were actually patient and nice to this guy leading up to this.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
79455 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 6:53 pm to
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Based on what?


In the best case scenario for him, he knelt on a man’s neck “while”
that man died.

That’s the best case scenario.

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