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re: Countries starting to pull tariffs. It's almost as if Trump knows what he's doing :p

Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:05 am to
Posted by SaturatedPhat
Member since Jul 2024
1180 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:05 am to
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They are not "bending the knee", they are negotiating and making deals. We shouldn't be using this term for their willingness to play ball. They are not subservient. I agree with a talking financial head that President Trump only halved the tariffs to offer an opportunity for other countries to come to the table and negotiate.


Good take!
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
21538 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:07 am to
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That is the big question I have with all of this: the only way we could become a country that exports goods to many developed countries would be by making our people poorer and standard of living much lower


Trumps economic plan using tariffs, tax incentives, and deregulation, as tools to attract investment in America is simple.
If folks want to access to the biggest consumer market in the world, America, they will need to move the manufacturing/production of thier goods to America. This will create jobs amd economic growth in America, which will help everyday Americans.
Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
14431 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:07 am to
After the dust settles and the world bends the knee, the talking point will shift from tariffs being bad, to we hurt our relationship to the world.

Screw what the worlds thinks. They were leaching off our charity….
Posted by David Fellows
Chicago but Georgia on my mind
Member since Mar 2024
1578 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:17 am to
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the only way we could become a country that exports goods to many developed countries would be by making our people poorer and standard of living much lower.


You sound VERY VERY concerned. Your framing is idiotic, but your concern seems VERY VERY concerny.

Duly noted.

quote:

They are not "bending the knee", they are negotiating and making deals.


lol no they're bending the knee. They've been fking us for decades and making bank, all on the dime of my taxes. So I can use whatever phrase I want.
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
11554 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:17 am to
quote:

Trumps economic plan using tariffs, tax incentives, and deregulation, as tools to attract investment in America is simple. If folks want to access to the biggest consumer market in the world, America, they will need to move the manufacturing/production of thier goods to America. This will create jobs amd economic growth in America, which will help everyday Americans.


The big threat to this logic paying off is whether China uses this opportunity to open up their growing middle class to the global economy as a strategy to reorient our allies towards their economic and financial system.

They’re not going to jump at it immediately but if our tariff regime becomes entrenched, I think that possibility becomes a major threat to the US-led world order.
Posted by LSUnation78
Northshore
Member since Aug 2012
14082 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:19 am to
I have a question tho.


If all the countries slash their tariffs with the expectation we will return the favor… how are we supposed to eliminate income tax by replacing it with external revenue.

Posted by David Fellows
Chicago but Georgia on my mind
Member since Mar 2024
1578 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:19 am to
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If folks want to access to the biggest consumer market in the world, America, they will need to move the manufacturing/production of thier goods to America. This will create jobs amd economic growth in America, which will help everyday Americans.


Yeah, but Saul Alinsky would not be on board. Hence our resident leftists screeching like vampires looking at a cross.

Creating jobs and economic growth in America is NOT on the leftist wish list.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
28683 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:41 am to
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Pretty sure all of these were announced prior


Pretty sure your head is firmly inserted up your azz.


no, I'm pretty sure he can fricking read. Can you? Did you even bother to read the fricking article, or were you too busy jacking off over the headline?

Headline:

"Multiple Nations Slash Import Duties on U.S. Goods"

Reality, in the text:

Israel: On Tuesday, Israel announced the cancellation of all remaining tariffs...

Vietnam: Vietnam has outlined plans to reduce tariffs on several U.S. products... In other words, not yet.

India: India is considering cutting tariffs on over half of U.S. imports,... Considering. In other words, they haven't cut shite yet.

Swiss Economic Affairs Minister Guy Parmelin emphasized that Switzerland has eliminated industrial tariffs...yes, as the poster you tried to shite on pointed out, this had already happened over a year ago.

So the "multiple" nations is actually a grand total of one at this point, Israel.

The guy you tried to shite on clearly isn't the one with his head up his "azz".
This post was edited on 4/3/25 at 7:44 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135721 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:44 am to
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You have to quit with the VAT thing. That is their means of taxing
Should I also have to quit with the "Islamists cutting off their daughters' clitorises thing" because it's their means of tradition?

VAT is an asymmetric import tax .... PERIOD!
I don't give a rats arse WTF the excuse is. A country charging a 20% VAT on US goods should have zero objection to a matching 20% US tariff on their imports here. Nor should anyone else.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55386 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:45 am to
Announcing and doing are 2 different things
Posted by TDTOM
Member since Jan 2021
24813 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:47 am to
Calm down.
Posted by TDTOM
Member since Jan 2021
24813 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:49 am to
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You have to quit with the VAT thing


You should quit the posting thing.
Posted by skullhawk
My house
Member since Nov 2007
27177 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:50 am to
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I have a question tho.


If all the countries slash their tariffs with the expectation we will return the favor… how are we supposed to eliminate income tax by replacing it with external revenue.


or bring back manufacturing?

I was thinking along the same lines.

I am guessing that the administration's economic plan will include tariffs for specific industries, regardless. Take Canada, for example; do they allow US agriculture to enter their markets to save their auto industry? Or do the auto tariffs stay on no matter what?
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
86308 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:51 am to
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I think there are some countries will do this because they're not going to actually buy US goods anyway because they will still be too expensive and - particularly in consumer goods - not of the tastes of their population.



the point of removing the tariff is to make our goods to them less expensive.

Your argument is to just keep our goods overinflated because no one is buying them. That’s fricking dumb.




Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
86308 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:54 am to
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They are not "bending the knee", they are negotiating and making deals.



While I agree. This term came from the Trump opo.

I will not bend the knee!

The rights response to someone who then eventually caved is they bent the knee.


Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135721 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:55 am to
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90% of the people posting here would prefer the US fund the entire government by consumption taxes. Should every country launch tariffs against the US if that happens?
If they don't have a matching VAT, sure, level the difference.

This has zero to do with whether or not consumption taxes are good, bad, or indifferent. E.g., I'd support a national sales tax, but as long as that is not reality, we need to balance the differential.

In contrast to your assertion, ignoring the above is stupid.
Posted by David Fellows
Chicago but Georgia on my mind
Member since Mar 2024
1578 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:56 am to
Posted by LSUnation78
Northshore
Member since Aug 2012
14082 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:56 am to
Yea, similar. Hes going to have to maintain certain tariffs to foster on-shoring of some manufacturing sectors we lost.

Its legitimate strategy question. Not sure how it plays out. But i’m enjoying boomerbook melts
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10679 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:59 am to
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I think there are some countries will do this because they're not going to actually buy US goods anyway because they will still be too expensive and - particularly in consumer goods - not of the tastes of their population.

That is the big question I have with all of this: the only way we could become a country that exports goods to many developed countries would be by making our people poorer and standard of living much lower. Essentially, the payroll expenditures would to drastically diminish for US manufacturing so our goods would have a real price difference with a nation providing first-world wages to their labor. There is reason country like Bangladesh has a massive trade deficit with the United States: they can make the cheap clothing to fill the fast fashion storefronts like Old Navy but their people are broke and can't buy US goods. Tariffing countries with a trade deficit perhaps makes sense amongst nations that are generally peers in terms of standard of living. I do not understand how tariffing developing nations does anything other than make goods more expensive at the cash register for US citizens because we should not want the United States to become competitive on the payroll costs. I'm not confident these tariffs pegged on deficits will change the business calculus since payroll obligations are often the biggest expenditure in any business, the 5 dollar shirt will now be a 7 dollar shirt and that's that.


Of course you are correct with many countries, China being the biggest.

We're going to make something in America and ship it to the Chinese cheaper than they can make it and sell it to their own people?

How is that going to work? Their average factory worker makes $6 an hour.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
93885 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 8:00 am to
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