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Conversation with a secular/agnostic friend about what has happened in America
Posted on 11/10/26 at 9:11 am
Posted on 11/10/26 at 9:11 am
He is right wing and conservative but just not religious at all. Baptized Catholic but hasn’t practiced faith in any meaningful way his entire adult life
He was despairing about the influx of Muslims in political power and all the rapid changes with the rise of Marxism and Communism.
I explained that when America abandoned the idea of being a Christian country and defending it as a Christian country (most notably during the 1960s) this all exploded.
The seeds were set, we are just now seeing the tree bear it’s fruit. He didn’t understand why we people wouldn’t just want to live in a free and normal way without having to be outwardly Christian.
I told him when there’s a vacuum, something is going to fill that void every time. All of the enemies of Christianity are cooperating right now to take out their biggest obstacle, they will eventually cannibalize each other later on.
Like so many of our churches. They have become nothing but hollowed out feel good, pep talk centers at best, or in some cases full out NGO Democrat activist groups… there is nothing sacred or worth preserving anymore.
He was despairing about the influx of Muslims in political power and all the rapid changes with the rise of Marxism and Communism.
I explained that when America abandoned the idea of being a Christian country and defending it as a Christian country (most notably during the 1960s) this all exploded.
The seeds were set, we are just now seeing the tree bear it’s fruit. He didn’t understand why we people wouldn’t just want to live in a free and normal way without having to be outwardly Christian.
I told him when there’s a vacuum, something is going to fill that void every time. All of the enemies of Christianity are cooperating right now to take out their biggest obstacle, they will eventually cannibalize each other later on.
Like so many of our churches. They have become nothing but hollowed out feel good, pep talk centers at best, or in some cases full out NGO Democrat activist groups… there is nothing sacred or worth preserving anymore.
This post was edited on 11/10/26 at 9:57 am
Posted on 11/10/26 at 9:13 am to burger bearcat
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Like so many of our churches. They have become nothing but hollowed out pep talk center, there is nothing sacred or worth preserving anymore.
There are people who truly believe Talafreako is a Christian preaching a Christian message.
That's how stupid we are as a nation.
This post was edited on 11/10/26 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 11/10/26 at 9:14 am to burger bearcat
And the war against the white Christian male is working. Instead of fighting they have chose to make money and try to insulate their families. Works for a period but not sustainable
Posted on 11/10/26 at 9:16 am to tigerfootball10
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And the war against the white Christian male is working. Instead of fighting they have chose to make money and try to insulate their families. Works for a period but not sustainable
Or playing video games.
Posted on 11/10/26 at 9:22 am to burger bearcat
I consider myself centrist and not religious at all. Maybe the latter being the bigger influence but people who are devout use positions of power to force their beliefs on the populace. It doesn't matter the denomination. We are running into the problem of freedom of religion meeting ideals that do not jive with the established ideals
Posted on 11/10/26 at 9:42 am to tigerfootball10
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And the war against the white Christian male is working. Instead of fighting they have chose to make money and try to insulate their families. Works for a period but not sustainable
100% accurate
Posted on 11/10/26 at 9:46 am to burger bearcat
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The seeds were set, we are just now seeing the tree beer it’s fruit
Where the F is this tree?! I want one!
This post was edited on 11/10/26 at 9:49 am
Posted on 11/10/26 at 10:00 am to jmarto1
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I consider myself centrist and not religious at all. Maybe the latter being the bigger influence but people who are devout use positions of power to force their beliefs on the populace. It doesn't matter the denomination. We are running into the problem of freedom of religion meeting ideals that do not jive with the established ideals
Your utopia doesn’t exist
There will always be a spiritual center to every society
Observe the ones that were founded with Christianity at the center. Observe the families and marriages that put Christ at the center.
Observe the societies and families that put something else at the center.
After observing… now choose where would you want to live? Which families are thriving and which ones have all sorts of issues, divorce, abandonment, etc?
Posted on 11/10/26 at 10:12 am to jmarto1
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but people who are devout use positions of power to force their beliefs on the populace.
So do people who aren’t devout. Now what?
Posted on 11/10/26 at 10:13 am to the808bass
you are correct but the devout do it to a higher degree
Posted on 11/10/26 at 10:16 am to burger bearcat
The problem isn't being agnostic or athiest so much as being anti-thiest towards only Christianity. This is a big issue here. Many who are not devout see Christianity as being too "restrictive". They do not have the interactions with those beliefs, like Islam, which is much, much more restrictive, so they seek out allies against the big, bad boogeyman of Christianity wherever they can. This will cost them greatly over time.
This post was edited on 11/10/26 at 10:17 am
Posted on 11/10/26 at 10:17 am to jmarto1
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people who are devout use positions of power to force their beliefs on the populace.
So people who derive their values from thousands of years of theological and moral study and successful societal results to back them up shouldn't be able to force their values (not one person is forcing their "beliefs," only their values) on the populace, but people who pulled their values out of their arse-and which have already shown themselves to be unsuccessful for society-should?
You might want to give that narrative some thought before you parrot it.
Posted on 11/10/26 at 10:18 am to jmarto1
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you are correct but the devout do it to a higher degree
Nope.
It's exactly the same process and to the same degree no matter who is doing it.
The only difference is from where the values are derived.
Posted on 11/10/26 at 10:19 am to jmarto1
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people who are devout use positions of power to force their beliefs on the populace
How exactly have Christians forced beliefs onto others in any meaningful way in the past 25 years or so?
How do you think devout Muslims will force their beliefs onto society?
This post was edited on 11/10/26 at 10:19 am
Posted on 11/10/26 at 10:21 am to wackatimesthree
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It's exactly the same process and to the same degree no matter who is doing it.
The only difference is from where the values are derived
Quoted for accuracy.
Those in America, who are not religious are still devout. They are just devout to politics. Politics is a religion to many here and they are more than willing to force beliefs onto others.
Posted on 11/10/26 at 10:22 am to jmarto1
And yet you have no evidence but your mouth. 
Posted on 11/10/26 at 10:24 am to Houag80
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And yet you have no evidence but your mouth.
Are you saying there isn't evidence of the religious pushing their beliefs on populations that they can control?
Posted on 11/10/26 at 10:25 am to UtahCajun
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How exactly have Christians forced beliefs onto others in any meaningful way in the past 25 years or so?
How do you think devout Muslims will force their beliefs onto society?
Unless I missed it, he didn't specify that the "devout" need be Christian. I would imagine Muslims would fulfill his criteria for that as well.
What he doesn't see is that someone indoctrinated into feminism, for example, proposing policy that has led to the intentional death of around 70,000,000 human beings since 1973, is reacting to a dogma and forcing their values onto people just as much as the most fundamentalist Muslim who has ever lived.
He "others" ideas/values informed by religion while assuming that secular ideas/values are somehow different. They are not.
Posted on 11/10/26 at 10:26 am to UtahCajun
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How exactly have Christians forced beliefs onto others in any meaningful way in the past 25 years or so?
You're in Utah? You really do not have to look very far
Posted on 11/10/26 at 10:26 am to jmarto1
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Are you saying there isn't evidence of the religious pushing their beliefs on populations that they can control?
Are you saying that the exact same process doesn't happen with the non-religious?
And again, you keep using the word "belief." Are you claiming that the religious attempt to mandate that the populace believe in Allah or Heavenly Father or that Mary was a virgin?
I don't see that. I'd need examples to believe it.
This post was edited on 11/10/26 at 10:32 am
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