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re: Conspiracy theories will continue to be problem for Republicans moving forward
Posted on 1/30/24 at 11:05 pm to lake chuck fan
Posted on 1/30/24 at 11:05 pm to lake chuck fan
My sister in law (HUGE liberal)was in town this weekend and I mentioned that if Michelle O were to enter the race this spring she would have a better chance of winning than Biden. She replied “what is with you republicans masterbating to this Michelle Obama conspiracy!?!” I think “conspiracy” is quickly going the way of “racist” as a term that is so over used that it will lose any meaning.
Not to say Michelle O is entering the race, but to think about what might happen if she did is NOT a “conspiracy”
Not to say Michelle O is entering the race, but to think about what might happen if she did is NOT a “conspiracy”
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 11:14 pm to WhiteRussianDude
I agree that what you’re describing is speculation, not conspiracy, but there are species of Michelle Obama theories that claim there’s a secret plan in place to have Biden step aside and have her run, which would count as a CT.
Posted on 1/31/24 at 5:42 am to Violent Hip Swivel
quote:Yet here you are.
This board is more of a safe space ...
One part safe space, one part echo chamber.
Earlier you claimed respondents here did not know the definition of 'conspiracy theory.' You were wrong of course. But it is evident you don't know what a "safe space" is. Safe Spaces are environments intended to be free of conflict, criticism, or potentially threatening actions, ideas, or conversations.
You come off as odd categorizing this board in that manner. Getting your arse handed to you for false assertions which (despite being false) would be cheered on DU does not constitute a "safe space." DU on the other hand, is very much a safe space.
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Regarding your OP, there are several responses you've chosen to duck.
Here are a few: Covid & Conspiracy Theories, More Conspiracy Theories, Still More Conspiracy Theories.
Now you can duck, dodge, and runaway from direct responses once you start a thread like this. It's your choice. But it's a really bad look.
Posted on 1/31/24 at 5:45 am to Pelican fan99
quote:
Just so happens that only the left has the media painting the right as conspiracy theory kooks while at the same time promoting all the left wing conspiracy theories
The left were the original "election deniers" and as recent as 2016 were still denying
This post was edited on 1/31/24 at 5:46 am
Posted on 1/31/24 at 5:53 am to Violent Hip Swivel
Democrats think women can have dicks.
My crazy uncles Taylor Swift conspiracy cannot touch that level of crazy.
My crazy uncles Taylor Swift conspiracy cannot touch that level of crazy.
Posted on 1/31/24 at 5:55 am to Privateer 2007
Democrats call their conspiracy theories "sociology."
Posted on 1/31/24 at 6:14 am to scottydoesntknow
quote:
Scroll up up a bit, I listed a bunch. Everything is "idiot nonsense" ...until it isnt
Actually none of those that you listed are idiot nonsense. The vast majority of them are quite plausible even before they were validated.
Idiot nonsense is stuff like the Deep State is importing illegal immigrants in order to enlist in the military to fight against and subdue American citizens. Not only is it idiot nonsense, it's just a re-telling of the same suburban legend idiot nonsense that used to circulate via email back in 2009 under Obama. People are so dumb these days they don't even remember that...or they don't care.
Idiot nonsense is believing that the government can create/control the weather, which several posters here proved they buy into during the recent Iowa caucus.
Similarly, several posters here recently revealed that they think the moon landings were faked. And I have seen enough hinting comments to be willing to bet you a hundo that some significant number of posters here believe in some version of the Zionist World Illuminati.
I'll also guarantee you that some significant percentage of people here believe some version of the theory that mass shooting victims are crisis actors and/or the events are false flags. Probably some version of chemtrails too.
Nothing you posted is anywhere near as farfetched as any of those.
The problem is that people who aren't very logical have used the following syllogism:
1. It has been proven that the government and the media have covered up and/or lied about some things.
2. Because of that, one can safely assume that the government and the media lie about everything.
3. Therefore, I don't have to apply reason or common sense to any theory I hear. Just on the basis of the fact that the government and media deny it means it must be true.
The problem in the logic is obvious.
Posted on 1/31/24 at 6:19 am to wackatimesthree
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2. Because of that, one can safely assume that the government and the media lie about everything.[/quote
While true, accepting equally unprovable theories is no better.
Just because its askew doesnt mean its a long drawn out conspiracy, many times Democrats are simply incompetent.
2. Because of that, one can safely assume that the government and the media lie about everything.[/quote
While true, accepting equally unprovable theories is no better.
Just because its askew doesnt mean its a long drawn out conspiracy, many times Democrats are simply incompetent.
Posted on 1/31/24 at 6:26 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
While true
It's not true.
You could say that the media and the government are potentially willing to lie about anything, but that's not the same as lying about everything.
Case in point, pick any event over which Republicans and Democrats oppose each other. Take Jan 6th. Either one faction of the government is telling the truth and one is lying, or they're both lying.
You think they're always both lying?
Posted on 1/31/24 at 6:29 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
You honestly believe SARS-CoV-2 is a natural zoonosis? Name the source!
There is virtually no evidence of a SARS-CoV-2 animal origin. None!
I could list a half dozen prog yarns on the topic of CV19 alone, and another half dozen on the Bidens. Holding an opinion against any of those is labeled by leftists as conspiracy theory.
Conspiracy theory
51 ex-intel officials got together and lied -- CONSPIRACY!
Dominion Voting Machines are vulnerable -- CONSPIRACY!
Biden extorted the dismissal of Ukraine's Prosecutor General to help Burisma -- CONSPIRACY!
Trump never paid hookers to pee on a bed in Moscow -- CONSPIRACY!
The MSM is filled with lying leftist hacks -- CONSPIRACY!
Twitter, Facebook, etc took significant measures to promote Biden and silence his opposition -- CONSPIRACY!
Fauci's cloth masks were nothing but performance art -- CONSPIRACY!
Fauci funded Chinese GOF work at the WIV -- CONSPIRACY!
The CDC's directives allowing public schools to remain shuttered were political, not scientific -- CONSPIRACY!
FBI and LEO agents substantially infiltrated the J6 crowd -- CONSPIRACY!
The Whitmer kidnapping fantasy was a Fed set up -- CONSPIRACY!
Posted on 1/31/24 at 6:32 am to wackatimesthree
quote:
2. Because of that, one can safely assume that the government and the media lie about everything.
You been in a coma the last couple of years?
Anyone with a brain should automatically assume that anything the Government or Media says is a LIE and work backwards from there to verify.
Giving these monoliths the benefit of the doubt in any way, shape or form is idiocy.
Posted on 1/31/24 at 6:33 am to oogabooga68
quote:
Anyone with a brain should automatically assume that anything the Government or Media says is a LIE and work backwards from there to verify.
Easily.
But that doesnt mean alternative theories are necessarily any more true.
Example: The Russian Collusion hoax perpetuated the Q phenomenon. Two equally insane groups.
This post was edited on 1/31/24 at 6:34 am
Posted on 1/31/24 at 6:38 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
Just because its askew doesnt mean its a long drawn out conspiracy, many times Democrats are simply incompetent.
I am inclined to believe that we're talking about simple incompetence much more often than people are willing to believe. And not just Democrats.
I'll give you three examples:
1. Biden's foreign policy decisions.
2. Biden's border policy.
3. Biden's economic policies
In all three cases he's doing everything he can possibly do to sabotage his chances of being reelected...especially with regard to border policy and economic policy. Yet he will not back off either agenda one inch.
Why?
Well, it's either because he's a "warmonger" trying to profit from embroiling the US in a war (absolutely ridiculous—tensions keep escalating because he's too weak and indecisive, not because he's trying to start a war), or that he's bring in illegal immigrants to subdue American citizens—in other words, idiot conspiracy theories—OR, it's that he's simply doing the opposite of what Trump did because Democrats are so obsessed with Trump that they feel honor bound to oppose anything he did as hard as they can, even when it's obviously the right thing to do, and even when by all indicators people have started to understand that it was the right thing to do.
Because of idiots like Tucker Carlson, the public is still lagging behind in understanding that acting early and often to respond with force in the world is the correct answer (like Trump did), pretty much everyone is figuring out that we need to stop the pouring in of illegal immigrants and that increasing the monetary supply by 41% over two years was a really bad idea, and it's hurting Biden politically.
I honestly believe that they are still running the playbook of "Whatever that guy did, we're going to do the exact opposite. We can convince the public that we're actually right and the economy is really great," and I honestly believe that is the main reasoning behind the continued actions. In other words, pure incompetence.
Posted on 1/31/24 at 6:40 am to oogabooga68
quote:
You been in a coma the last couple of years?
Anyone with a brain should automatically assume that anything the Government or Media says is a LIE and work backwards from there to verify.
Giving these monoliths the benefit of the doubt in any way, shape or form is idiocy.
Do you speak English?
I never said anything about giving anyone the benefit of the doubt. The whole point is that you shouldn't be believing or disbelieving a narrative purely based on who is telling it to you, but you should apply reason and common sense as well.
But thank you for illustrating exactly the mindset I described above.
Posted on 1/31/24 at 6:41 am to wackatimesthree
quote:"Safely" and "everything" are obviously superfluous terms, as is your #3 altogether.
1. It has been proven that the government and the media have covered up and/or lied about some things.
2. Because of that, one can safely assume that the government and the media lie about everything.
The problem is we are in a scenario where lies are so pervasive that one can reasonably assume, until proven otherwise, that the government and the media is lying. That should have never happened.
Once the threshold of trust is breached, the door is kicked wide open for "Batboy Returns" stories to flourish. Fighting against those "Batboy" fictions, instead of fighting against the conspirators responsible for shredding trust in the first place, is a dumb, counterproductive waste of time.
Posted on 1/31/24 at 6:41 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
But that doesnt mean alternative theories are necessarily any more true.
This is the part that they are unable or unwilling to understand.
Posted on 1/31/24 at 6:43 am to wackatimesthree
quote:
I am inclined to believe that we're talking about simple incompetence much more often than people are willing to believe. And not just Democrats.
I tend to agree. The world runs on systems, most humans dont have the capacity to project future outcomes.
Systems are great for managing, not so much for the people being ruled. If your premise is wrong, your outcome will be horrible, and its not easy to change.
Pure incompetence (Kicking can down the road) can explain 90% of our problems.
Posted on 1/31/24 at 6:43 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
"Safely" and "everything" are obviously superfluous terms, as is your #3 altogether.
Again, do you speak English?
None of those are "mine." If you doubt that I correctly described the thought process of the unthinking "right," just read a couple of posts above.
quote:
The problem is we are in a scenario where lies are so pervasive that one can reasonably assume, until proven otherwise, that the government and the media is lying.
Yeah, except that's not how y'all apply your stated rule. Or, tell me about all the stuff Trump lied about when he was head of the federal government.
The truth is that you believe what you want to believe and disregard what you don't.
This post was edited on 1/31/24 at 6:46 am
Posted on 1/31/24 at 6:45 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
The problem is we are in a scenario where lies are so pervasive that one can reasonably assume, until proven otherwise, that the government and the media is lying. That should have never happened.
I absolutely agree.
The problem is we are latching on to alternative theories created by influencers selling themselves, which are even more crackpot.
Just because the media and govt lie doesnt mean we have to accept batshit theories.
Posted on 1/31/24 at 6:47 am to TigerDoc
quote:
agree that what you’re describing is speculation, not conspiracy, but there are species of Michelle Obama theories that claim there’s a secret plan in place to have Biden step aside and have her run, which would count as a CT.
Not really. It’s still speculation. Like thinking Joe Biden won’t last another 4 years so they desperately need someone else is actually living in reality. The dude is deteriorating.
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