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Posted on 6/27/20 at 12:55 pm to USA Dan
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Growing up that flag did not represent hate and bigotry and slavery at all.
Yes, it did. It was a flag hardly anybody knew anything about until it began being flown in the 50s and 60s to oppose integration. It was flown specifically to communicate opposition to racial integration.
If you and yours were too ignorant to know that back then, you're welcome for me cluing you in now.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 12:55 pm to rich4pres
Every action has an equal opposite reaction.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 12:55 pm to sugar71
Magnanimous? Basically they stole everything, torched a major part of it, ensured generations of poverty for most southerners and left them for dead.
I don't really know what history you've been studying about the post-civil war south.
I don't really know what history you've been studying about the post-civil war south.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 12:57 pm to Lima Whiskey
quote:bullshite. You don't even have basic knowledge taught in high school, at least not when it was taught, ... but that doesn't matter. Less than 12th grade comprehension.
I also have a history degree with a concentration on the Civil War,
Posted on 6/27/20 at 12:59 pm to Lima Whiskey
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You can make that claim, but it requires ignoring period media, and how the soldiers explained their motivations in their letters.
In my hypothetical war for Texas oil, I wouldn’t expect most soldiers’ letters to wax poetic about the virtues of hydrocarbons. They’d be about the life they missed, about filling up the truck and hitting the lake, about cracking open a cold beer with OL’ Lima Whiskey.
But you’d be a fool to conclude that the war was about anything other than oil.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 1:08 pm to victoire sécurisé
Economics doesn’t pull at people’s hearts. Motivations to fight are much more primal, freedom, defense of your family, it has to be elemental.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 1:09 pm to Redbone
Yet instead of trying to debate me, you respond with ad hominems?
That speaks for itself. You don’t know what you claim to know.
That speaks for itself. You don’t know what you claim to know.
This post was edited on 6/27/20 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 6/27/20 at 1:11 pm to Lima Whiskey
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Economics doesn’t pull at people’s hearts. Motivations to fight are much more primal, freedom, defense of your family, it has to be elemental.
The rich in any society always manipulate the poor to do their dirty work.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 1:14 pm to VanzettiVandal
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The coup that did away with the Articles of Confederation made the Civil War inevitable.
Question: why is Alexander Hamilton, alone among the founders, uniformly celebrated by our nation’s intelligentsia and cultural elite as a visionary founding father?
LINK ]‘Hamilton’ on Disney Plus: How to watch the hit Broadway musical....
LINK ]Deceived in Liberty: The Curse of Hamiltonian Nationalism...
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....American “nationalism” has nothing to do with the older concept of a people with a common language and culture, living within the borders of their own nation state. The unique American version of “nationalism” was invented at the time of the founding by a group of conniving, Machiavellian politicians who sought to overthrow the results of the American Revolution – the casting off of the centralized, oppressive, mercantilist/crony capitalist British empire – and adopt the very same system in America – the British empire without the British.
This point calls to mind another statist superstition – that Alexander Hamilton was some kind of educated genius when it came to economic theory, whereas his political nemesis, Thomas Jefferson, was sort of a dopey agrarian dreamer on the subject who supposedly wanted all of America to be “a nation of farmers.” Exactly the opposite is true: In his biography of Hamilton William Graham Sumner described his writings as a jumble of British mercantilists superstitions copied from propaganda pamphlets written by publicists for protectionists and other mercantilists.....
Jefferson, on the other hand, had read Adam Smith’s Wealth of Nations and translated the writings of French physiocrat Jacques Turgot. To this day, a bust of Turgot is at the entrance of Jefferson’s home, Monticello..... What Jefferson opposed was not industrialization but the use of governmental power to tax farmers in order to subsidize the corporate merchant class. He opposed, in other words, the nationalist project of using the coercive powers of the state to plunder the farmers of America for the benefit of the merchant class. It is an insidious, nationalist lie that Jefferson opposed business and industrialization per se...
Posted on 6/27/20 at 1:15 pm to SidewalkTiger
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The rich in any society always manipulate the poor to do their dirty work.
I don’t mean this as a slight, but that’s a Marxist trope, and I don’t think it bears out.
Look at the revolt in the Vendée.
This post was edited on 6/27/20 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 6/27/20 at 1:18 pm to rich4pres
I saw a ton on boats last weekend when I went to the lake. I just had my Trump flag
Posted on 6/27/20 at 1:20 pm to deltaland
[quote]I saw a ton on boats last weekend when I went to the lake. I just had my Trump flag[/quote
All the same according to the left
All the same according to the left
Posted on 6/27/20 at 1:22 pm to wackatimesthree
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It was a flag hardly anybody knew anything about until it began being flown in the 50s and 60s to oppose integration.
I have seen this argument floated for a short time regarding that the the battle flag (St. Andrews Cross) was virtually unknown up until the 50's and 60's. That is utter garbage. Revisionist history. To make a statement like that shows one's total ignorance of that war and it's history. The vast majority of regiments in the Confederate Army used that flag as their standard on the battlefield. For example, every division/regiment in the Confederate Army of Tennessee except for one division (Cleburnes) adopted and used the St Andrews cross flag as their battle standard. Go look in state archives and museums and 75% of the original flags you will see are of the St Andrews cross. 99.5% of all pictures of Confederate veterans after the war show them with that flag. The St Andrews Cross battle flag was not the national flag of the Confederacy. The Confederate adopted three different national flags during its history and two of them even incorporated the St Andrews Cross battleflag.
But that is public education history for you: when some Damn football coach reads it directly out of a textbook written and published in the North by northern liberals.
This post was edited on 6/27/20 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 6/27/20 at 1:24 pm to victoire sécurisé
Your self righteousness prevents you, and those who think as do you, the ability to realize and recognize that the NORTH supported slavery and their prosperity was due to it's existence. You really believe that Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation freed ANY slaves? It sure didn't free any slaves in the Union. It didn't free any slaves in Confederate held territory. Even West Virginia was admitted as a slave state in 1863 after it seceded from Virginia. (That is a topic for a whole new thread.) You have failed to even understand or recognize the significance of the Morrill Tariff and it's ramifications for the North and the South. Research your history for yourself. You will be amazed at what you learn and how much you didn't know.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 1:30 pm to rich4pres
It is a rebel battle flag and what is more appropriate for the push back than that? Screw the left and their brownshirts.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 1:34 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
I think the stars and bars is beutiful. But, I had ancestors who fought for the south... and some with north.
Lineage is Georgia and South Carolina before the Union was considered more important than states.
Lineage is Georgia and South Carolina before the Union was considered more important than states.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 1:35 pm to VanzettiVandal
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Where is a good site to buy high quality Confederate flag stuff? Like a really good deal flag or something to frame on the wall?
Arkansas Flag and Banner (Little Rock) carried them at one time (all variations). Don't know if they still do. All their flags are top quality.
This post was edited on 6/27/20 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 6/27/20 at 1:36 pm to BlackAngus
Hey Pussy, that flag might wave over the fight back that saves your arse.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 1:38 pm to BlackAngus
Holy frick you’re a moron. You think slavery was the only reason states seceded? You realize the USA flag flew over slavery way longer? And every continent had slavery exempt antartica? You’re own people enslaved you and sold your arse to Arab muzzies !!!! Wake up idiot.
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