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re: Col. Douglas MacGregor says Ukraine will collapse in approximately 6 weeks

Posted on 2/1/23 at 10:23 am to
Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 10:23 am to
Right, this dovetails with his M.O. at this point. I'm sure we can check in mid-March and Ukraine will still be there.
Posted by Jcorye1
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 10:33 am to
I feel for the people of Ukraine, they did not ask for this. That being said, until Russia goes after a NATO ally this is not our problem.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 10:41 am to
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Cliffs: Ukrain population down to about 20million from 48million, at least 10million have fled


Seems like there's a rounding error or something in there.
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
37906 posts
Posted on 2/1/23 at 10:46 am to
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What next? Do we wash our hands or do the morons in charge double down and escalate things?


They definitely double down and likely get us into an active conflict with Russia.

They cannot allow Russia to move in and expose the money laundering state to the entire world with undeniable evidence that cannot be suppressed. They can't allow Russia to secure and release evidence about biologic weapon and gain of function research in Ukraine labs carried out and funded by the US.

In spite of what the warmongering Zelensky worshippers in the OT thread think, Ukraine has been putting up a fierce resistance thanks to my modern arms provided by NATO nations, but they are not winning, nor have they ever been. Before Ukraine completely collapses, the MIC will false-flag us into direct conflict. The ramifications of a fallen Ukraine are too great for them to allow.

ETA:

These threads are a bat signal to the OT thread warmongers. I see they're already here to downvote me en masse, but not refute anything i said with any sort of civil rebuttal. I really don't care about downvotes, but expression of your dislike of what someone says is pretty redundant if you won't even entertain being open minded enough for discourse.
This post was edited on 2/1/23 at 11:19 am
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
Southern States
Member since May 2020
18496 posts
Posted on 2/1/23 at 11:03 am to
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until Russia goes after a NATO ally this is not our problem
except for that $200B we have thrown down a Ukraine RAT HOLE
Posted by Blutarsky
112th Congress
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 11:05 am to
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Ukrain population down to about 20million from 48million


Of the 20 do we assume 50/50 male/female remaining?

10 million males? How many are able bodied? 4-5 million?

Eventually they will run out of healthy bodies and Zelensky will ask for boots on the ground.
Posted by Padme
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 11:08 am to
Yeah I agree, we see how they did whatever it took to get Trump out and try to erase any history related to his 4 years, and you get their mentality.

They don’t just accept a loss, and it’s not like they will send their sons into battle anyway
Posted by Padme
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 11:11 am to
Yeah, he said when the war began there were about 37.5 million and now there are from 18 to 22 million left. That seems to be quite the exodus. He speaks to it very early in the linked podcast, but yeah there has to be a deeper story for the numbers to add up
Posted by G&P
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Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 11:18 am to
Opposite of what DOD and the WhiteHouse are telling the American people… It must be true.


Posted by Tiger985
Member since Nov 2006
7674 posts
Posted on 2/1/23 at 11:19 am to
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In spite of what the warmongering Zelensky worshippers in the OT thread think, Ukraine has been putting up a fierce resistance thanks to my modern arms provided by NATO nations, but they are not winning, nor have they ever been


Only NATO troops can win this war.

NATO weaponry is great but will never be used with the effect and efficiency actual NATO troops could provide.

That's where this is headed. We are climbing a ladder.

We "must win" so what happens when the weapons are not enough to "win"?

We desperately need a cease fire to end the senseless slaughter on both sides and some serious diplomacy.

We are witnessing mass madness.
Posted by Warfox
B.R. Native (now in MA)
Member since Apr 2017
3832 posts
Posted on 2/1/23 at 11:47 am to
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Ukraine will collapse in approximately 6 weeks

I'm old enough to remember when the "experts" told us Russia was going to overrun Ukraine in a few days or maybe a week or two...


Everyone who throws this Bullshite around conveniently leaves out the important part:

All-else equal, Russia WOULD HAVE overrun Ukraine without western(primarily U.S.) assistance.

Take away the logistical support, the foreign mercenaries, the munitions, and the BILLIONS of $$$, and Ukraine would have been TOAST.

Anyway, Col. MacGregor is correct: Ukraine is quickly running out of time.

Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42582 posts
Posted on 2/1/23 at 12:05 pm to
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All-else equal, Russia WOULD HAVE overrun Ukraine without western(primarily U.S.) assistance.


According to Magregor the war was to be over before Ukraine received more aid from the West. They were to take Kiev in a week , and declare checkmate.
Posted by LookSquirrel
Old Millville
Member since Oct 2019
7662 posts
Posted on 2/1/23 at 12:49 pm to
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Yeah, he said when the war began there were about 37.5 million and now there are from 18 to 22 million left. That seems to be quite the exodus. He speaks to it very early in the linked podcast, but yeah there has to be a deeper story for the numbers to add up


Let me see if I can help clear up what I posted. These are just estimates anyway.

Start with app. 37 million citizens TOTAL. Minus the 2 million already working out of the country. Subtract the over 4 million living in, what is now Russian territory. Then another 10 million that fled the country. An estimated 250,00 dead, (of which 100,00 are civilian). 35,000 missing presumed dead. Then the estimated 400,000 casualties, most of those will never recover to fight again.

Which leave "approximately" 18 to 20 million TOTAL Citizens. The 18 to 20 million left, includes children and old folks. Then out of those, how many "qualified" young "MEN" would be available, AND WILLING, to continue fighting?
This post was edited on 2/1/23 at 12:51 pm
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42582 posts
Posted on 2/1/23 at 1:59 pm to
quote:

In spite of what the warmongering Zelensky worshippers in the OT thread think, Ukraine has been putting up a fierce resistance thanks to my modern arms provided by NATO nations, but they are not winning, nor have they ever been. Before Ukraine completely collapses, the MIC will false-flag us into direct conflict. The ramifications of a fallen Ukraine are too great for them to allow.


No, Ukraine isn’t winning the war. I haven’t seen many if any people that said they were.

But the Ukraine has won several large battles.
First they stopped Russia from taking Kiev and forced Russian armies in that province back into Russia.
Then the won large battles to retake Kherson City and then another large battle around Kharkiv.
Over the last several months Ukraine has retaken more land than they have lost over that time period.
Right now Russia is slowly pushing Ukraine back around Bakhmut. Many are predicting a new major offense by the Russians. Some are predicting more Ukrainian counterattacks.

That’s how I see it.
This post was edited on 2/1/23 at 2:00 pm
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37188 posts
Posted on 2/1/23 at 2:00 pm to
I have a question I haven’t seen answered ITT:

Who the hell is Col. Douglas MacGregor, and why should anyone care what he says on any topic?
Posted by LookSquirrel
Old Millville
Member since Oct 2019
7662 posts
Posted on 2/1/23 at 2:05 pm to
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Who the hell is Col. Douglas MacGregor, and why should anyone care what he says on any topic?



Macgregor, Colonel U.S. Army (Retired), Ph.D.

former Senior Advisor to the Secretary of Defense
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37188 posts
Posted on 2/1/23 at 2:08 pm to
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Macgregor, Colonel U.S. Army (Retired), Ph.D. former Senior Advisor to the Secretary of Defense

There are a lot of PhD’s on earth, and a shite ton of people who have worked for SecDef.

Why is this person notable or someone that anyone should pay attention to?
Posted by USMCguy121
Northshore
Member since Aug 2021
6332 posts
Posted on 2/1/23 at 2:13 pm to
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Our government will have to find another money laundering operation


Syria's still on the table.
Posted by QboveTopSecret
America
Member since Feb 2018
3495 posts
Posted on 2/1/23 at 2:13 pm to
The Ukrainian Ministry of Economy also expects many Ukrainians to go abroad in search of work. Now the unemployed in the country are 5 million according to the official local statistics. Destroyed energy infrastructure and frequent power outages are forcing people with small and medium-sized businesses to look for a way to move out.

The World Bank predicts that if the trend continues, 55 percent of the Ukrainian population will live abroad by the end of 2023, compared with 2 percent in the pre-war years and 25 percent now.

ALL the young women have left/leaving most never to return.

Men are trekking through the forests to escape, hundreds per day to Belarus.

As a bonus these numbers are low compared to reality.



Posted by timdonaghyswhistle
Member since Jul 2018
21017 posts
Posted on 2/1/23 at 2:48 pm to
Where will we send the checks after that?
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