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Posted by IT_Dawg
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Posted on 2/27/19 at 2:20 pm to
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Can anyone give me brief summation of what the fraud claim regarding the Moscow tower is all about? I have not really followed this all that closely, so I'm trying to figure out what exactly the claim is that implicates Trump in a fraudulent act.


There is no “fradulent” claim about that. They are trying to tie him to Felix (convicted felon) and claim that his interest in Russia was more then he claimed while running for election. The fraud they are working on with him, is misleading bank statements on application for a potential loan from the bank to make an offer for the Buffalo Bills back in the day

Posted by Vecchio Cane
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Posted on 2/27/19 at 2:20 pm to
Can tomorrow even come close to this?

The Dems literally resorted to the old "do you still beat your wife?" gag
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 2/27/19 at 2:22 pm to
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They’re claiming that trump wanted a tower in Russia and was selling out America to make himself rich and get elected. Muh collusion.


So basically the claim is that Trump used his campaign and potential election as a tool in the Tower negotiations or maybe Russia was trying to use them as leverage? Otherwise, it wouldn't be a crime to just have the negotiations considering they've been trying to do them for some time, right?

Posted by tigerinDC09
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Posted on 2/27/19 at 2:22 pm to
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Can anyone give me brief summation of what the fraud claim regarding the Moscow tower is all about? I have not really followed this all that closely, so I'm trying to figure out what exactly the claim is that implicates Trump in a fraudulent act.


That Trumps lawyers edited Cohen's testimony to comport more with Trumps statements about business with Russia in the campaign.
Posted by GRTiger
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Posted on 2/27/19 at 2:24 pm to
The only way this hearing can not be seen as a huge disaster for the Dems is for the media to spin and outright lie about it. We have Cohen's lies being caught in real time, nothing from him about anything illegal or even beyond the standard dem and media talking points, and his outright refutation of many of the gotchas they've pinned their hopes on.

They asked him about the Clinton/Russia dossier for frick's sake. What a fail this was.

Posted by tigerinDC09
Washington, DC
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Posted on 2/27/19 at 2:24 pm to
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Otherwise, it wouldn't be a crime to just have the negotiations considering they've been trying to do them for some time, right?



Right, this is literally a case where the coverup is the only crime here. It's bad, but legal to lie to the public about Trump's negotiations for the Trump Tower Moscow.
Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 2/27/19 at 2:25 pm to
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That Trumps lawyers edited Cohen's testimony to comport more with Trumps statements about business with Russia in the campaign.


Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 2/27/19 at 2:27 pm to
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Right, this is literally a case where the coverup is the only crime here. It's bad, but legal to lie to the public about Trump's negotiations for the Trump Tower Moscow.




Got it. As of right now, has anything been put forward to corroborate Cohen's testimony of the cover-up or is it mainly just his statement vs Trumps team's statement?
Posted by GRTiger
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Posted on 2/27/19 at 2:27 pm to
This is an oversight committee, right? What purpose do questions about an illegitimate child serve to that end?

This is nothing more than a tax payer funded Democrat smear campaign meant to influence 2020. That has become absurdly transparent to those who didn't already see it for what it was.
Posted by tigerinDC09
Washington, DC
Member since Nov 2011
4741 posts
Posted on 2/27/19 at 2:29 pm to
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nothing from him about anything illegal


He has literally implicated Trump in a felonious federal elections conspiracy numerous times today, so if that's a nothingburger, then I don't know what to tell you.
Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 2/27/19 at 2:30 pm to
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He has literally implicated Trump in a felonious federal elections conspiracy numerous times today


Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55609 posts
Posted on 2/27/19 at 2:30 pm to
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He has literally implicated Trump in a felonious federal elections conspiracy numerous times today, so if that's a nothingburger, then I don't know what to tell you.





NOPE!


name one
Posted by tigerinDC09
Washington, DC
Member since Nov 2011
4741 posts
Posted on 2/27/19 at 2:31 pm to
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Got it. As of right now, has anything been put forward to corroborate Cohen's testimony of the cover-up or is it mainly just his statement vs Trumps team's statement?


Trump team's statements aren't under oath so it's not a true he said he said yet.
Posted by GRTiger
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 2/27/19 at 2:31 pm to
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He has literally implicated Trump in a felonious federal elections conspiracy


Oh boy
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
40987 posts
Posted on 2/27/19 at 2:31 pm to
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Trump team's statements aren't under oath so it's not a true he said he said yet.


So, it's just Cohen's statement that it happened?
Posted by tigerinDC09
Washington, DC
Member since Nov 2011
4741 posts
Posted on 2/27/19 at 2:32 pm to
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NOPE!


name one


The one where SDNY says that Trump directed Cohen to violate federal campaign finance laws. You must not have been watching at all, try to keep up.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55609 posts
Posted on 2/27/19 at 2:33 pm to
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tigerinDC09


Still waiting
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
62072 posts
Posted on 2/27/19 at 2:33 pm to
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He has literally implicated Trump in a felonious federal elections conspiracy numerous times today, so if that's a nothingburger, then I don't know what to tell you.



And with zero proof but his already discredited word.
Posted by tigerinDC09
Washington, DC
Member since Nov 2011
4741 posts
Posted on 2/27/19 at 2:33 pm to
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So, it's just Cohen's statement that it happened?


No, he has the before and after documents which show what edits were made to the congressional testimony by Trump's lawyers.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55609 posts
Posted on 2/27/19 at 2:33 pm to
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The one where SDNY says that Trump directed Cohen to violate federal campaign finance laws. You must not have been watching at all, try to keep up.


Nope. But Obama broke campaign Finance laws.


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