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re: CIA and Pfizer knew Covid herd immunity was rapidly occurring in May of 2020
Posted on 9/2/26 at 12:07 pm to SparkyWilson
Posted on 9/2/26 at 12:07 pm to SparkyWilson
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still contract it and pass it to others even if it is less severe.
Sounds like you were glued to worldometers watching the new cases.
Get vaxxed and wear that mask(double and triple) harder.
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instituted stricter measures and recommended wearing face masks and shutting down non-essential public services.
It would have been even worse if they didn't.
That was the "we have to do something, frick your freedom" strategy.
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Posted on 9/2/26 at 12:12 pm to BuzzSaw 12
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If tweet fails to load, click here. from this old photo, we can see who fauci really works for.Posted on 9/2/26 at 12:12 pm to Dee_oh_Dee
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Sounds like you were glued to worldometers watching the new cases.
Get vaxxed and wear that mask(double and triple) harder.
No. That's a factual statement about RNA based viruses. Believe what you want.
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It would have been even worse if they didn't.
That was the "we have to do something, frick your freedom" strategy.
Privacy•
I'm not making that claim. I'm merely stating they tried doing less and it didn't work.
Posted on 9/2/26 at 12:19 pm to Bass Tiger
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Dr. Gottlieb
This guy made a killing using his daily CNBC interviews as a trusted FDA commissioner into a springboard to multiple pharma board seats.
Posted on 9/2/26 at 12:19 pm to Boom33
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I used to wonder how Germany got its citizens to go along with all the crazy shite.
Yep. At the end of the day people will do what they are told. Even if it doesn't make sense. Even if it means violating people's constitutional rights and fundamental human rights.
People had mortgages and child support to pay. Status in practice group to maintain. Sugarbabies to support. State pensions they a few years away from. Nobody gave a frick. Being cast out of the village was too much to bear.
So as a collective, we did the stupidest thing possible. Poisoned a bunch of healthy people under duress and destroyed the global economy for nothing.
Covid people will rage with you bring this up. They just wanna move on and pretend like it didn't happen, but we ain't forget that easy.
Posted on 9/2/26 at 12:22 pm to SparkyWilson
I’d only tweak one thing. I don’t think “RNA virus” by itself is really the reason. The bigger problem was that immunity waned and the virus kept evolving enough that stable, lasting herd-immunity endpoint became much harder to reach than people were imagining in 2020. Your larger point is right on. The actual history is messier than the little morality tales they get compressed into (Sweden and the Amish are a good example of that).
Posted on 9/2/26 at 12:26 pm to Bass Tiger
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CIA and Pfizer knew Covid herd immunity was rapidly occurring in May of 2020
And yet, medical personnel told me an unvaccinated, I am killing millions.
One idiot doctor told me, “The Covid vaccine is the greatest gift to mankind.”
Posted on 9/2/26 at 12:35 pm to TigerDoc
Sure, mistakes were made. A lot of mistakes. I just come down on the side of them being honest mistakes for the most part, instead of some grand conspiracy theory. The template was the 1918 flu epidemic, which killed tens of millions. It was reasonable to try to prevent that from happening again.
And to claim, as some do, that it was just a cold, is absurd. I knew some people who died and others who became gravely ill and in some cases took months to recover. It put both my parents in the hospital at the same time. I had the delta variant, and while I shook it off after a couple of weeks it was like nothing I had ever experienced before.
And to claim, as some do, that it was just a cold, is absurd. I knew some people who died and others who became gravely ill and in some cases took months to recover. It put both my parents in the hospital at the same time. I had the delta variant, and while I shook it off after a couple of weeks it was like nothing I had ever experienced before.
Posted on 9/2/26 at 12:41 pm to Bass Tiger
It was all about Trump and, money.
OSHA needs to be shut down along with the rest of the alphabet government.
Hospitals do not care about lives, hospitals care about money.
OSHA needs to be shut down along with the rest of the alphabet government.
Hospitals do not care about lives, hospitals care about money.
Posted on 9/2/26 at 12:44 pm to TigerDoc
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I’d only tweak one thing. I don’t think “RNA virus” by itself is really the reason. The bigger problem was that immunity waned and the virus kept evolving enough that stable, lasting herd-immunity endpoint became much harder to reach than people were imagining in 2020. Your larger point is right on. The actual history is messier than the little morality tales they get compressed into (Sweden and the Amish are a good example of that).
It usually is. Bad messaging, bad actors, and attempts at oversimplification of complex issues do not lead to clarity.
Posted on 9/2/26 at 12:44 pm to Jim Rockford
That’s pretty close to where I’ve landed too. “They made some really consequential mistakes” and “therefore they must have been trying to hurt people” are two very different claims, and hindsight makes it easy to forget just how uncertain and threatening the situation looked at the beginning.
Posted on 9/2/26 at 12:45 pm to Jim Rockford
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Sure, mistakes were made. A lot of mistakes. I just come down on the side of them being honest mistakes for the most part, instead of some grand conspiracy theory. The template was the 1918 flu epidemic, which killed tens of millions. It was reasonable to try to prevent that from happening again.
Idiots like you is why this will definitely happen again.
Posted on 9/2/26 at 12:46 pm to SparkyWilson
Yep. The clean stories are usually the problem. They’re easier to remember and argue with, but they leave out half the stuff you’d need to actually understand what happened.
Posted on 9/2/26 at 12:48 pm to SparkyWilson
Grok is a refresher on this since it was a while ago.
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Sweden pursued a distinctive, less restrictive COVID-19 strategy focused on voluntary measures, recommendations, and protecting the vulnerable (especially the elderly), rather than widespread mandatory lockdowns, school closures for younger children, or strict mask mandates. This approach, led by the Public Health Agency under Anders Tegnell, aimed for sustainability, high public compliance through trust, and minimizing broader societal harms, while still implementing some targeted rules (e.g., limits on gatherings, recommendations on distancing and hygiene, later some capacity restrictions).
cato.org
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Outcomes Relative to Other EU CountriesOutcomes are best assessed via excess mortality (all-cause deaths above baseline), as it captures both direct COVID deaths and indirect effects (e.g., delayed care, mental health, economic impacts) and is less affected by testing/reporting differences. Official COVID-19 death counts show Sweden higher than Nordic peers but mid-range in Europe.Excess mortality (2020–2022, main pandemic years): Multiple analyses (Eurostat-based, Statistics Sweden, Cato Institute reviews, and academic papers) find Sweden had among the lowest rates in Europe—often the lowest or near-lowest. Estimates put Sweden’s excess at ~3.7–4.4% above pre-pandemic baselines, versus an EU average of ~11–12%. This was lower than many strict-lockdown countries (e.g., Spain, Italy, UK ~10–18%+ in various periods) and competitive with or better than Nordic neighbors overall (who had lower rates in 2020 but higher later).
researchgate.net +2
Posted on 9/2/26 at 12:48 pm to TigerDoc
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and hindsight makes it easy to forget just how uncertain and threatening the situation looked at the beginning.
I get that, but there is no excuse for how long some of the stupidity went on well into 2021 in some areas
Posted on 9/2/26 at 12:54 pm to notiger1997
Yeah, I think that’s an important distinction. What was understandable in March or April 2020 doesn’t automatically justify something still being done a year later. One of the questions worth separating out is where people and institutions failed to update as the evidence and circumstances changed.
Posted on 9/2/26 at 1:04 pm to notiger1997
Covid was a human engineered biological weapon.
The reality is that American taxpayers funded the creation of a virus not native to this earth, and it almost certainly got intentionally released on all mankind.
Some folks knew we were looking at a biological weapon, and the prospect of a forthcoming biological countermeasure early on. We talking April 2020. By June 2020 it was being publicly discussed in some circles.
At that time no one would listen. The truth was too much to bear. So they lied and people believed the lie. To this day a majority of people refuse to acknowledge the truth about covid.
The reality is that American taxpayers funded the creation of a virus not native to this earth, and it almost certainly got intentionally released on all mankind.
Some folks knew we were looking at a biological weapon, and the prospect of a forthcoming biological countermeasure early on. We talking April 2020. By June 2020 it was being publicly discussed in some circles.
At that time no one would listen. The truth was too much to bear. So they lied and people believed the lie. To this day a majority of people refuse to acknowledge the truth about covid.
Posted on 9/2/26 at 1:06 pm to Bass Tiger
Diamond Princess
Posted on 9/2/26 at 1:06 pm to Auburn1968
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Excess mortality (2020–2022, main pandemic years): Multiple analyses (Eurostat-based, Statistics Sweden, Cato Institute reviews, and academic papers) find Sweden had among the lowest rates in Europe—often the lowest or near-lowest.
Grok isn't capturing everything. 2020 to 2022. That's 3 years. Masks weren't initially recommended, but they were by June 2020 in healthcare settings and in January 21 on public transport.
Vaccine rollout began in December 2020 and 87.1% of the population (12 and older) had received at least one dose by April 2022. Granted, it was not mandated, but public trust and participation was high.
They started with a less restrictive COVID 19 Strategy but increased those measures when they believed it was necessary. It wasn't a constant response from 2020-2022, and widespread vaccination was central pillar to their COVID 19 strategy once it became available.
Posted on 9/2/26 at 1:09 pm to SparkyWilson
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Vaccine rollout began in December 2020 and 87.1% of the population (12 and older) had received at least one dose by April 2022. Granted, it was not mandated, but public trust and participation was high.
Under the guise of it was 95-99% effective and President Biden saying if you got the jab you wouldn’t get Covid
Which was a huge lie. And further shots and their interest went off a cliff. What’s the point of getting the jab if it didn’t even stop you from getting the covid anyway with a 99.999% survival rate if you were remotely healthy.
They ruined all goodwill they had by lying to the population. And then wonder why nobody trusts them anymore
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