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re: China is currently outpacing the US in nearly all new industries
Posted on 1/25/25 at 10:57 am to RaoulDuke504
Posted on 1/25/25 at 10:57 am to RaoulDuke504
This post was edited on 1/28/25 at 7:58 am
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Posted on 1/25/25 at 10:58 am to RaoulDuke504
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It’s been well covered how good their EVs are now
By Chinese media? They’ve provided zero data to independent engineers to substantiate their performance or reliability claims.
Posted on 1/25/25 at 10:59 am to billjamin
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They’ve provided zero data to independent engineers
Not what I am seeing.
Their cars are all over the world and have been thoroughly examined by Western engineers.
Posted on 1/25/25 at 11:01 am to billjamin
Most Chinese vehicles don’t comply to DOT standards and it may be 10k but have fun with the delivery and tariff costs added on to it. Roger, Mr Economics, forgot about that part after viewing his AP article.
Posted on 1/25/25 at 11:01 am to RaoulDuke504
With our money.
Posted on 1/25/25 at 11:02 am to momentoftruth87
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If you want to be a dweeb like that guy then go ahead and buy them.
Never said I was. That vehicle can't be purchased in the US. If it could, it cost 24k. The point is China's EV vehicles are getting better just like what happened with Japan manufacturing. It's no surprise that when humans do something alot they become experts at it. The old saying "Practice makes Perfect" is definitely true
Posted on 1/25/25 at 11:10 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Not what I am seeing. Their cars are all over the world and have been thoroughly examined by Western engineers.
Where are you seeing it? I’ve never seen a degradation analysis, BMS overview, UL testing, etc. I get calls from Chinese home energy providers weekly asking to get on my approved vendor list and I have yet to have one provide a bankability report. They just disappear after that.
Posted on 1/25/25 at 11:11 am to RaoulDuke504
Wasn't their cheap ai that just came out on par with the first iteration of chatgpt.
Still impressive, not sure why hyperbole is needed.
Still impressive, not sure why hyperbole is needed.
Posted on 1/25/25 at 11:13 am to momentoftruth87
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Most Chinese vehicles don’t comply to DOT standards
Does Australia and Germany have lower standards?
Posted on 1/25/25 at 11:16 am to RaoulDuke504
Those aren’t real industries
Posted on 1/25/25 at 11:20 am to RogerTheShrubber
It’s funny you’re worried about cheap crappy Chinese evs thinking it’s enriching China.
Posted on 1/25/25 at 11:20 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Their cars are all over the world and have been thoroughly examined by Western engineers.
This is a product of subsidization, lack of manufacturing regulation, low wages, and being the prime manufacturer of those battery components.
Our cars are legally required to do things that increase pricing, the US auto manufactures have continued to lobby for more computing for two major reasons.
1. Increase cost
2. Increase repair requirements to licensed shops.
This heavily impacts US costs.
That said Tesla uses far less employees to build far more cars than Chinese EV manufacturers.
Posted on 1/25/25 at 11:21 am to RaoulDuke504
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Are they though? Their real estate market has been shown to be worse than any scam I've seen, and their birth rates are plummeting. Also, command economies have this nasty habit of lying both internally and externally.
Are they though? Their real estate market has been shown to be worse than any scam I've seen, and their birth rates are plummeting. Also, command economies have this nasty habit of lying both internally and externally.
Posted on 1/25/25 at 11:28 am to Narax
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This is a product of subsidization,
Same in this country. It's led to a lack of ingenuity in this country.
Tesla has plants in China, sell for competitive prices and have been surpassed by BYD
Posted on 1/25/25 at 11:30 am to RaoulDuke504
Their economy is close to implosion. With just a little push from Trump.....
Posted on 1/25/25 at 11:30 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Same in this country.
There is no comparing subsidization in these industries in China vs US. They are not even remotely close to being similar much less the same.
Posted on 1/25/25 at 11:31 am to RaoulDuke504
China imports everything from its technical knowledge, intellectual property, food and energy. The only thing they have in abundance is people and control over those people. And that is rapidly dwindling due to the effects from one child policies and the vast aging out of their “boomer” generation with no replacement gen. Hell, the United States still patrols and protects shipping lanes that largely benefit Chinese trade.
Posted on 1/25/25 at 11:33 am to RaoulDuke504
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Beating us in social media
Which is destructive. They can have it
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Beating us in EVs
This is useless. Most EV owners I know have bought back
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Surpassing us in AI
This wont end well for them
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Killing us in city development
Give us a minute. We're busy kicking folks out, just so we can rebuild our cities
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Beating us in renewable power
Great, let them waste that capital
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They’re doing this at 1/4 the cost we’ve done the same.
Thats what they used to say about Russia and the space race. We broke them. Tariffs are about to break China
Posted on 1/25/25 at 11:33 am to billjamin
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By Chinese media? T
Yeah this is hilarious. Chinese media and content creators paid by China to promote China are making China's output sound amazing?
Next you'll tell me Russia is doing the same thing with content creators defending their invasion of Ukraine.
This post was edited on 1/25/25 at 11:34 am
Posted on 1/25/25 at 11:34 am to billjamin
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There is no comparing subsidization
Do you dispute that we just spent tens of billions retooling factories for our auto makers?
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