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re: China is currently outpacing the US in nearly all new industries

Posted on 1/25/25 at 10:11 am to
Posted by Revelator
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Posted on 1/25/25 at 10:11 am to
They also beat us in pollution
Posted by momentoftruth87
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Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 1/25/25 at 10:14 am to
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It’s been well covered how good their EVs are now


You should look into their EV problems and EV graveyards of new cars they abandon and can’t sell.
Posted by SingleMalt1973
Member since Feb 2022
22382 posts
Posted on 1/25/25 at 10:15 am to
Chinas economy is a house of cards. Trump proved that, in his first term they had the largest economic downturn in 30 years. So much so that they released a bio weapon to level,the playing field.
Posted by DomincDecoco
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Member since Oct 2018
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Posted on 1/25/25 at 10:15 am to
When you can drive your people like slaves and pay them pennies on the dollar, you tend to be pretty efficient.
Posted by Gifman
Member since Jan 2021
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Posted on 1/25/25 at 10:16 am to
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Oh yes, they are very practical about the energy they use; it’s the shite they sell to us that they leaned heavily green on. So when we stop buying it, which is about now, where will they be?


They’re fricked. The combination of their population collapse and the world turning back to fossil fuels will break them.
Posted by HubbaBubba
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50944 posts
Posted on 1/25/25 at 10:18 am to
China's economy is built on a house of cards.
Posted by AuburnTigers
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Posted on 1/25/25 at 10:18 am to
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-Surpassing us in AI, China just released a new AI better than chapterGPT that cost 6 million to make.
I would love to see you explain how their GPT is better than "our" GPT. Give a good college try
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 1/25/25 at 10:19 am to
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China also is rooting out corruption send officials to death.


Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 1/25/25 at 10:21 am to
Be careful. Some posters will call you a Chinese agent for speaking the truth.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 1/25/25 at 10:22 am to
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China's economy is built on a house of cards.


Their demographics will eventually do them in, but they are blowing the doors off the EV market worldwide.

As the US growth rate slows, exports will become more important and we are far behind China in this regard.
Posted by NoBoDawg
Member since Feb 2014
2030 posts
Posted on 1/25/25 at 10:22 am to
Baw cmon! Most of their gains are due to IP theft. They’re all about appearances. I’m betting that most of their “advanced” tech is just cheap garbage
Posted by RaoulDuke504
Member since Aug 2023
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Posted on 1/25/25 at 10:23 am to
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I would love to see you explain how their GPT is better than "our" GPT. Give a good college try


Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
63219 posts
Posted on 1/25/25 at 10:23 am to
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-Surpassing us in AI, China just released a new AI better than chapterGPT that cost 6 million to make.

Do you really think ChatGPT is the best we have? The consumer-friendly information toy? That's adorable. You're adorable.
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-Beating us in renewable power, they are the leaders in solar power and other renewables.

They are the biggest polluters in the world.
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Are we witnessing the birth of the new world power.
They have been a 'world power for a long time, but they are a bit of a paper tiger too.
Posted by theballguy
Member since Oct 2011
31223 posts
Posted on 1/25/25 at 10:23 am to
You should probably move to China and join them.
Posted by AuburnTigers
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Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 1/25/25 at 10:25 am to
So a video made by a Chinese guy says they are more advanced and that is all it took for you to make up your mind??


Not to mention its a staged interview with our propaganda media
This post was edited on 1/25/25 at 10:27 am
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
18923 posts
Posted on 1/25/25 at 10:27 am to
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Beating us in EVs able to make the same or better cars for 1/7th the price.


How is this junk better?

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Surpassing us in AI, China just released a new AI better than chapterGPT that cost 6 million to make.



On what benchmark?


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Killing us in city development, build an industry of high speed trains. Developing several new mega cities every decade. When America hasn’t made a new mega city in a century.


They can't even make the wheels for high-speed trains, they have to import them from Germany and Japan and the current trains are loaded with reliability problem and safety issues. Just like their buildings (see: tofu dreg construction).

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Beating us in renewable power, they are the leaders in solar power and other renewables.


So why are they building so many coal-fired plants?


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Are we witnessing the birth of the new world power. The only this we have is the financial industry. That’s more so due to China heavy regulating it’s currency.


What you are witnessing is a shite load of propaganda teetering on the edge of a massive financial cliff. Of course low-grade morons like you just keep spouting their bullshite, probably due to your own educational deficiencies.
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
6098 posts
Posted on 1/25/25 at 10:28 am to
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-Beating us in social media, TikTok is the most popular app on the planet

Agreed, it's a mind drain... Keep the ban going, the rest of the world can succumb to brain rot.
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-Beating us in EVs able to make the same or better cars for 1/7th the price. So much so we had to put 100% tariffs to prevent them from destroying our industry.

Yes, they are the source of most Rare Earths, in the US, it's really expensive to produce them... because they are crazy toxic and require all sorts of filtration and safety.
In China they get a bunch of Uighurs to burn them in open vats... way cheaper.
They also subsidize like crazy to achieve market penetration in Australia and Europe.

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-Surpassing us in AI, China just released a new AI better than chapterGPT that cost 6 million to make.

Ask Deepseek what happened in Tienanmen square.
There is zero chance it costs 6 Million to train much less make.
This has the Chinese government's fingers all over it. It's obviously leveraging a ton of WuDao development.
Even assuming that, FP8 has not been proven to be nearly as efficient as they are claiming while still preserving reasonable accuracy, Maybe they made it work, but that would be ground breaking.

That said it's still really good, but when you use 14 Trillion Parameters you should be really good.

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-Killing us in city development, build an industry of high speed trains. Developing several new mega cities every decade. When America hasn’t made a new mega city in a century.

The USA is not designed for High Speed rail, China is entirely mega-cities, tons of empty buildings that no one uses. Their population is shrinking their megacities are cement cubicals with some Dubai inspired ego projects.

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-Beating us in renewable power, they are the leaders in solar power and other renewables.

And coal, don't forget they and India are opening more coal plants than the rest of the world combined...

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Are we witnessing the birth of the new world power. The only this we have is the financial industry. That’s more so due to China heavy regulating it’s currency.

Where have you been the last 15 years?
They have been a peer since at least 2008.

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They’re doing this at 1/4 the cost we’ve done the same.


Here is the thing about global costs...

They are never comparable.

Hence the saying the price of Tea in China.
This post was edited on 1/25/25 at 10:30 am
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 1/25/25 at 10:29 am to
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Their demographics will eventually do them in


Incorrect. With AI and robotics xenophobic countries stand to benefit

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Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 1/25/25 at 10:33 am to
Its like some posters don't read Twitter It's so bizarre how uneducated they are on certain topics


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Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 1/25/25 at 10:33 am to
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Baw cmon! Most of their gains are due to IP theft.


Except they have surpassed us in some areas. You can buy a new Chinese EV for 10k.

BYD has investors like Warren Buffet behind them.




People can believe the old myths about Chinese mfg, but with foreign investment and a drive for quality, they have become a real competitor.


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