re: Children of Military born overseas not considered to be American at birth

I think y'all are wrong and this does affect citizenship.

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Effective October 29, 2019, children residing abroad with their U.S. citizen parents who are U.S. government employees or members of the U.S. armed forces stationed abroad are not considered to be residing in the United States for acquisition of citizenship.

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Therefore, U.S. citizen parents who are residing outside the United States with children who are not U.S. citizens should apply for U.S. citizenship on behalf of their children under INA 3228, and must complete the process before the child’s 18th birthday.9 The child of a member of the U.S. armed forces accompanying his or her parent abroad on official orders may be eligible to complete all aspects of the naturalization proceedings abroad. This includes interviews, filings, oaths, ceremonies, or other proceedings relating to naturalization.

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I read it as you would now have to go through the naturalization process. No automatic citizenship anymore.

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children born to a U.S. citizen is a U.S. citizen no matter where the child is born

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^this^

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this would only apply to employees / armed forces who are NOT currently U.S. citizens.

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Very important distinction.

ONLY IF THE CHILD DOESN’T automatically acquire citizenship at birth will they have to go through naturalization process

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Policy Highlights

• Clarifies that temporary visits to the United States do not establish U.S. residence and
explains the distinction between residence and physical presence in the United States.

• Explains that USCIS no longer considers children of U.S. government employees and U.S.
armed forces members residing outside the United States as “residing in the United States”
for purposes of acquiring citizenship under INA 320.3

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A child born outside of the United States automatically becomes a U.S. citizen when all of the following conditions have been met on or after February 27, 2001:2
• The child has at least one parent, including an adoptive parent3 who is a U.S. citizen by birth or through naturalization;

• The child is under 18 years of age;

• The child is a lawful permanent resident (LPR);4 and

• The child is residing in the United States in the legal and physical custody of the U.S. citizen parent.6

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The above language, read together with the below:

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Effective October 29, 2019, children residing abroad with their U.S. citizen parents who are U.S. government employees or members of the U.S. armed forces stationed abroad are not considered to be residing in the United States for acquisition of citizenship. Similarly, leave taken in the United States while stationed abroad is not considered residing in the United States even if the person is staying in property he or she owns.

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How is that not changing the policy on children born to US Citizen armed forces overseas?

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Is this worded poorly or is it really disadvantaging active duty military assigned overseas?

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As a prior service member, I dont agree, or wonder why this was done.

HOWEVER, you could look at the flip side and say, why does this happen (I know the answer), and if this is the case, Non-Americans who are in the US and givebirth - SHOULD NOT HAVE BIRTHRIGHT Citizenship.

I think this is the catch all or reason why. Also looking, it says that military dependents will need to apply before 18th birthday. No biggie, do the application and get it done. I am sure there will be resources for this within military legal system.

Citizenship needs an overhaul way more than this though. My wife was naturalized when I was in the military, and let me tell you how fricked it is, and how big of a drain it is on this country. These buildings are VERY secure. The money in infrastructure & security has to be incredible cost. Not to mention the lawyers, and employees of INS.

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According to law, if they are born to american parents, they are natural born...they already have birthright, no need to clarify

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It's not that simple. Residency matters.

Journalists are spreading horrendous misinformation.
This policy does not affect 99.999999% of children.

This policy Only matters if the child doesn't automatically acquire citizenship at birth, which the vast majority of them do.

THE MOST CLEAR WAY OF THINKING ABOUT THIS


the children of U.S. citizen gov't employees and service members born abroad will, under this policy, be treated just like the children of non-gov't, non-service member U.S. citizens born abroad.

It was basically a policy change to make the standards uniform

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Then it’s nothing more than a money grab

It’s already expensive process that just got more expensive with additional paperwork and layers of nonsense

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Iirc my wife - while I was on AD - was around $500. Application, photos, interview, test, citizenship.