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Challenger - docuseries on 1986 Challenger explosion -- Netflix
Posted on 9/23/20 at 10:17 am
Posted on 9/23/20 at 10:17 am
I'm on Ep2 right now and am really enjoying this.
This isn't as "political" as things going on now are, but it does portray NASA and the contractors as going through with launches when everyone knew there was a o-ring problem.
Very well done documentary so far though.
I just thought people on this board would appreciate it more than the movie/tv board.
This isn't as "political" as things going on now are, but it does portray NASA and the contractors as going through with launches when everyone knew there was a o-ring problem.
Very well done documentary so far though.
I just thought people on this board would appreciate it more than the movie/tv board.
This post was edited on 9/23/20 at 10:18 am
Posted on 9/23/20 at 10:18 am to i am dan
The old "nobody ever pays for their culpability" is not a new phenomena.
Somebody somewhere who has an actual name pushed that faster than it needed to go.
Somebody somewhere who has an actual name pushed that faster than it needed to go.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 10:27 am to gthog61
It seems at this point, NASA felt a lot of pressure to keep the program rolling.
NASA's mentality in the 80s is interesting. Seems everything they did was to gain interest in the public eye to maintain their programs. That was the only reason the teacher was on that flight. To gain interest in the public.
And NASA knew they needed to put up launches to keep the ball rolling. No way they could push back launches for 2 years to really investigate what was going on.
I'm interested to finish the series, but that's kinda where my thoughts are at this point of the series.
I have learned more about the solid rocket propulsion and the dangers it possesses.
NASA's mentality in the 80s is interesting. Seems everything they did was to gain interest in the public eye to maintain their programs. That was the only reason the teacher was on that flight. To gain interest in the public.
And NASA knew they needed to put up launches to keep the ball rolling. No way they could push back launches for 2 years to really investigate what was going on.
I'm interested to finish the series, but that's kinda where my thoughts are at this point of the series.
I have learned more about the solid rocket propulsion and the dangers it possesses.
This post was edited on 9/23/20 at 10:29 am
Posted on 9/23/20 at 10:27 am to i am dan
Finished it last night and it was great.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 10:28 am to i am dan
The NASA officials were guilty of negligent homicide.
This post was edited on 9/23/20 at 10:29 am
Posted on 9/23/20 at 10:32 am to i am dan
I remember the media interviewed a few sharks after the tragedy. The sharks said it wasn’t bad for airline food.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 10:38 am to i am dan
What is Ep2 ???
This stuff is in my wheelhouse and I’ve never heard of this doc.
This stuff is in my wheelhouse and I’ve never heard of this doc.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 10:38 am to i am dan
It was a good series. I don't recall the perspective from the families after the event. I also forgot that they sent up a Senator and Representative before the accident. I do remember them sending up an old John Glenn!
Posted on 9/23/20 at 10:42 am to i am dan
I studied the incident voraciously, both when it occurred (as I was a HS freshman), and after I became an engineer on the Space Shuttle Program at NASA's Johnson Space Center.
If y'all have any 51-L (Challenger 1-28-86) questions, I'd be happy to give you the facts and/or my opinion.
If y'all have any 51-L (Challenger 1-28-86) questions, I'd be happy to give you the facts and/or my opinion.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 10:46 am to i am dan
I was working on the SRB refurbishment contract at KSC when Challenger exploded and watched it from the VAB. From 1981 - 1986 the NASA Administrator, James Beggs, promoted the idea that Shuttle was a space taxi and could/should fly every two weeks, which was impossible. But there were NASA posters everywhere saying "We hear you Mr. Beggs", acknowledging his direction. The workforce pushed schedule over everything to attain high cadence launches.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 10:50 am to i am dan
I remember it like it was yesterday. I in the 7th grade and was sick at home watching the Showcase Showdown on the Price is Right when they broke in with coverage. Ironically, it was the only day of school I missed other than a funeral in the 3rd grade. Sad day indeed for the country! Wish that still had the mantle and not been trumped by 9/11.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 10:58 am to Goforit
NASA was needing to keep attention on their programs to keep funding coming from the govt. NASA needs the publics attention and they have also tried that by following the Green crowd. This is not related to Challenger but about how they have latched onto the Global Warming Crowd. Especially starting in the 90's.
This what I saw while working at the NASA Michoud Facility in New Orleans while attending LSU.
The External Fuel Tank was built here and during this time (1999-2001) there was a transition to a new foam that didn't use the old aerosol to spray the foam. It was a greenhouse gas so they switched to a greenhouse friendlier aerosol. I don't recall the names of the gases.
Instead of trying to get a waiver to continue use of the tried and true aerosol, they went forward with a new one, which required a lot of certification process.
I was a data miner and cruncher that cataloged lab results for the foam. The results were from coupon test to determine the strength of the foam, its adhesion strength to surfaces at -300 & -400deg, and how it performs in near vacuum conditions.
There many parameters to cover for spraying conditions as well and each had to be tested. How fast you spray a layer and how quick the second layer, and subsequent layers are applied.
The new stuff wasn't quite as good and if I remember correctly it was much more sensitive during the application phase and it's properties deteriorated if parameters varied slightly.
Cameras were put into solid rocket boosters to monitor the foam coming off around the ribbed area that connects the O2 tank and Hydrogen tank. This is the area that lost foam and the foam would then strike the ceramic tiles of the shuttle. Foam hits were counted when the shuttle landed.
My first thought when Columbia disintegrated upon re-entry was I bet it was Foam damage to a tile.
My point here is that NASA willingness to spend needless money to certify a new foam which wasn't as good, because they wanted to please the Greens. Why couldn't a waiver by provided for the continued use of CFC aerosol for the space program. You only build 2 or 3 a year.
Sorry to hijack the thread , thanks for the info. I'll have to check the documentary out before I cancel Netflix.
This what I saw while working at the NASA Michoud Facility in New Orleans while attending LSU.
The External Fuel Tank was built here and during this time (1999-2001) there was a transition to a new foam that didn't use the old aerosol to spray the foam. It was a greenhouse gas so they switched to a greenhouse friendlier aerosol. I don't recall the names of the gases.
Instead of trying to get a waiver to continue use of the tried and true aerosol, they went forward with a new one, which required a lot of certification process.
I was a data miner and cruncher that cataloged lab results for the foam. The results were from coupon test to determine the strength of the foam, its adhesion strength to surfaces at -300 & -400deg, and how it performs in near vacuum conditions.
There many parameters to cover for spraying conditions as well and each had to be tested. How fast you spray a layer and how quick the second layer, and subsequent layers are applied.
The new stuff wasn't quite as good and if I remember correctly it was much more sensitive during the application phase and it's properties deteriorated if parameters varied slightly.
Cameras were put into solid rocket boosters to monitor the foam coming off around the ribbed area that connects the O2 tank and Hydrogen tank. This is the area that lost foam and the foam would then strike the ceramic tiles of the shuttle. Foam hits were counted when the shuttle landed.
My first thought when Columbia disintegrated upon re-entry was I bet it was Foam damage to a tile.
My point here is that NASA willingness to spend needless money to certify a new foam which wasn't as good, because they wanted to please the Greens. Why couldn't a waiver by provided for the continued use of CFC aerosol for the space program. You only build 2 or 3 a year.
Sorry to hijack the thread , thanks for the info. I'll have to check the documentary out before I cancel Netflix.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 10:59 am to ChineseBandit58
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What is Ep2 ???
This stuff is in my wheelhouse and I’ve never heard of this doc.
It's a 4 episode documentary. Each about 45 mins long.
I'm on Episode 2. Well, halfway through 3 now.
This post was edited on 9/23/20 at 11:08 am
Posted on 9/23/20 at 11:20 am to i am dan
Just watched the opening. Very emotional and I remember that fateful day as if it was yesterday.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 11:34 am to JPinLondon
That is really cool. I studied this a lot too, but recently I watched an investigative program about the wind sheer in the higher altitudes that may have been a factor in the SRB joint seperation. You can notice from the zig-zag shape of the exhaust a few seconds before the explosion. I just thought it was very interesting, I’ve never heard the take before.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 11:38 am to Nono
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I remember the media interviewed a few sharks after the tragedy. The sharks said it wasn’t bad for airline food.
How did they know the Challenger astronauts had dandruff?
They found their Heads and Shoulders on the beach.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 11:41 am to gthog61
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Somebody somewhere who has an actual name pushed that faster than it needed to go.
Well it had a school teacher on board so probably a good percentage of classrooms were tuned in. Couldn't let the children down. Instead it just traumatized them.
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