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re: ‘Certainly intimidation’: Louisiana sues EPA for emails of journalists and ‘Cancer Alley’

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Posted by thebigmuffaletta
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Posted on 2/2/24 at 12:02 pm to
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Louisiana’s far-right government


Stopped reading right there
Posted by Strannix
District 11
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Posted on 2/2/24 at 12:04 pm to
Lol do you think thats smoke particulate? Whats your IQ
Posted by thebigmuffaletta
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Posted on 2/2/24 at 12:05 pm to
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No prollution to see here.


Considering that is steam coming from cooling towers and stacks, you’re right.
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Posted by Tigerfan1274
Member since May 2019
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Posted on 2/2/24 at 12:09 pm to
I was at the Air and Waste Management Convention several years ago when the LDEQ Secretary Dr. Chuck Carr Brown, an African American who was appointed by John Bel Edwards, stated that the air we are breathing now is cleaner than at any time since the Industrial Revolution.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 2/2/24 at 12:16 pm to
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Louisiana’s far-right government
Good to know a government headed by J B Edwards is """far right"""

That is an extraordinarily audacious claim
Posted by Swazla
Member since Jul 2016
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Posted on 2/2/24 at 12:18 pm to
That pic is steam and fog dude. And a sunset or sunrise. You know it as nature.
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 2/2/24 at 12:18 pm to
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Plants and factories were built in/near black communities because white people didn’t want them near their neighborhoods and black had/have no power.


They build where land is cheap and resources are available. Sometimes but not always that is adjacent to majority black neighborhoods. Refining companies are not targeting black neighborhoods. In fact Shell refinery in Norco comes to mind as a refinery adjacent to a white neighborhood.
Posted by bayouh2o
Arizona
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Posted on 2/2/24 at 12:20 pm to
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Plants and factories were built in/near black communities because white people didn’t want them near their neighborhoods and black had/have no power. Blacks didn’t flock to live near refineries.


The Exxon Plant in Baton Rouge was built in the early 1900's near the Old Bridge. It is my understanding that that was a mostly white population during that time (I know in the 70's we would go visit my Aunt in what is now North Baton Rouge) and that they built the Plants there because that was near where the workforce (mostly white men coming back from WWI and WWII) were settling. It was the expansion of the city and white flight that left all of the houses in North Baton Rouge open and then the black folks moved in the area because land and rent was cheaper.

If this is the case, then the blacks did, in fact, kind of flock to the area to live near the refineries.

At least, that is what I think happened, someone please correct me if I am wrong.



Posted by thebigmuffaletta
Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 2/2/24 at 12:20 pm to
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They build where land is cheap and resources are available. Sometimes but not always that is adjacent to majority black neighborhoods. Refining companies are not targeting black neighborhoods. In fact Shell refinery in Norco comes to mind as a refinery adjacent to a white neighborhood.


I’m betting that when a lot of these refineries were first built, the neighborhoods around them were white.
Posted by bayouh2o
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Posted on 2/2/24 at 12:21 pm to
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I’m betting that when a lot of these refineries were first built, the neighborhoods around them were white.


Posted by Icansee4miles
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Posted on 2/2/24 at 12:21 pm to
Of all the outrageous BS you’ve posted, this might be the worst. The manufacturing sites were mostly built on sites that had formerly been plantations (many companies have preserved these homes on their sites), because it was high ground with river access, and large tracts of land where purchase only involved one, or a few, landowners.

The Exxon Baton Rouge refinery was built in 1909, all the houses around it were workers at the refinery that could walk to work. There are plenty of pictures from back in the day, please circle any minorities you find in any of them. As people became more mobile, they moved to newer, larger homes out in the suburbs.

The minorities that purchased those homes decades later knew they were buying next to a manufacturing site, and the homes were priced accordingly. The chicken came generations before the egg here.

You are completely FOS. You should take the L and leave this thread before you come out with something even more moronic.
Posted by VOR
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Posted on 2/2/24 at 12:23 pm to
The information regarding specific pollutants is available. No one has reallydisputed the unusually high cancer rates.
Posted by kingbob
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 2/2/24 at 12:26 pm to
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Plants and factories were built in/near black communities because white people didn’t want them near their neighborhoods and black had/have no power. Blacks didn’t flock to live near refineries.


Plants and factories are built on the riveralong certain locations where the currents aren’t a strain on docking ocean-going ships. (Cut banks vs deposit banks)

The proximity of African Americans is because many plantations once lined the river for the same reason, and many freed slaves settled adjacent to the plantations where they were once enslaved.
The same attributes which made the land valuable for cash crop cultivation also made it ideal for large manufacturing facilities.

It’s not racism. It’s geography. The oldest plants are in the most ideal locations for ships. Many historic plantations were purchased and moved, torn down, or mysteriously “burned” to make way for plant facilities.

Just because something negatively impacts an African American community doesn’t mean it’s rooted in racism.
Posted by Open Your Eyes
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 2/2/24 at 12:30 pm to
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Plants and factories were built in/near black communities because white people didn’t want them near their neighborhoods and black had/have no power. Blacks didn’t flock to live near refineries.



Because of this post, all of your other posts, and the fact that you have sex with homeless people.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 2/2/24 at 12:32 pm to
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hen it should be objectively demonstrated via sampling and medical test.



Exactly what testing would satisfy you?


EPA has identified and listed chemical constituents that are known carcinogens. Here is the list.

Once a person has been diagnosed with cancer and tumor type then a specific industry can be targeted that either handles, processes or produces by-products of a particular carcinogen that can be linked to a direct cause of the patients cancer. Then you have to prove that said carcinogen has escaped in to the local environment and exposed the patient to a sufficient dose (concentration and time) to cause cancer.

Most of the time it is not an easy case to make because of the expertise required but if the case is made the plaintiff is walking away with a big settlement.
Posted by Indefatigable
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Posted on 2/2/24 at 12:34 pm to
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Plants and factories were built in/near black communities because white people didn’t want them near their neighborhoods and black had/have no power. Blacks didn’t flock to live near refineries

Good god this is extraordinarily stupid. These plants largely predate the population that lives around them.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118853 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 12:36 pm to
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I’m betting that when a lot of these refineries were first built, the neighborhoods around them were white.


100%

Look at Chevron refinery in Los Angeles. It's adjacent to some of the richest real estate in the world.


ETA: I just looked on Redfin and there is a property that is directly adjacent to the Chevron refinery in LA for sale for $6.6 million. It's only 1700 SF.
This post was edited on 2/2/24 at 12:40 pm
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67115 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 12:37 pm to
Some do, some don’t.

But none of them chose their location based on racism. There’s a reason why Lake Charles and the area between Baton Rouge and New Orleans has plants while Natchez, Lafayette, Shreveport, Monroe, and Alexandria mostly do not. It’s geography.
Posted by ThuperThumpin
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 2/2/24 at 12:40 pm to
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Plants and factories were built in/near black communities because white people didn’t want them near their neighborhoods and black had/have no power. Blacks didn’t flock to live near refineries.


Those communities were white when those plants were built.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118853 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 12:40 pm to
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It’s geography.


Mississippi River ports. It's expensive to ship a tanker of crude oil to Monroe.
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