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Posted on 9/8/21 at 10:51 pm to Korkstand
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The vaccines work about as well as all the other vaccines that we've used for decades
Well this is just nonsense on steroids. There is literally nothing you can point to that defends the above statement
Posted on 9/8/21 at 10:51 pm to Korkstand
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I'll try to dumb down future posts.
You have a bright future as a CDC apparatchik if you are so inclined.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 10:51 pm to Korkstand
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The vaccines work about as well as all the other vaccines that we've used for decades.
They don’t work as well as the flu shots do. And the flu shots aren’t a gold standard for shots.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 10:53 pm to brass2mouth
quote:That's because every other vaccine you've gotten was also given to every other person as a child. Most of them multiple doses plus boosters later on. That's why they are as effective as they are. That's how we've eradicated diseases.
Except that for every other vaccine I’ve gotten, prevented me from getting the corresponding disease.
Seems pretty absolute.
You probably are no longer immune to some of the diseases that you were vaccinated for long ago. You will just never know because we keep vaccinating kids to keep them from spreading around again.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 10:55 pm to the808bass
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They don’t work as well as the flu shots do.
They prevent disease at a much higher rate with wild type covid than the flu vaccine prevents influenza even in good years. With the delta variant, the ability to prevent disease at all is similar to a "bad" flu vaccine year (30-40% depending on the data set) but both vaccines prevent severe disease and death from their respective diseases extremely well (80+% most years for flu, 85-95% for the delta variant).
Posted on 9/8/21 at 10:56 pm to Roger Klarvin
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They prevent disease at a much higher rate with wild type covid than the flu vaccine prevents influenza even in good years. With the delta variant, the ability to prevent disease at all is similar to a "bad" flu vaccine year (30-40% depending on the data set) but both vaccines prevent severe disease and death from their respective diseases extremely well (80+% most years for flu, 85-95% for the delta variant).
Gold.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 10:57 pm to the808bass
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Gold
But Klarvin is a Doctor
Posted on 9/8/21 at 10:58 pm to Korkstand
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You probably are no longer immune to some of the diseases that you were vaccinated for long ago.
Odd voice of words considering you’ve known since elementary school that vaccines only provide protection.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 10:59 pm to brass2mouth
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Except that for every other vaccine I’ve gotten, prevented me from getting the corresponding disease.
Seems pretty absolute.
This is far too generalized of a statement to be meaningful
Vaccines to bacterial pathogens (such as H. flu) prevent disease entirely from the serotypes vaccinated against exceedingly well because these are stable pathogens. There isnt large genetic variability or rapid mutation rates within serotypes. Its so different that its really not even comparable to vaccines to most viral pathogens.
With respect to viruses, mechanisms and rates of genetic mutation/change varying wildly and you almost have to take each disease/pathogen on a case by case basis.
But the biggest issue here is that, for most diseases you are vaccinated against, vaccines are ubiquitous and started in the first year of life often with multiple boosters. Societal immunity and cross immunity to genetically similar variants of given diseases is extremely robust and there is little to not place for many of these diseases to take hold.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 11:00 pm to Roger Klarvin
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They prevent disease at a much higher rate with wild type covid than the flu vaccine prevents influenza even in good years. With the delta variant, the ability to prevent disease at all is similar to a "bad" flu vaccine year (30-40% depending on the data set) but both vaccines prevent severe disease and death from their respective diseases extremely well (80+% most years for flu, 85-95% for the delta variant).
Speaking of “experts,” look what the cat dragged in…
Posted on 9/8/21 at 11:00 pm to SDVTiger
Not good with the, as we say in Missouri, stastistics.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 11:01 pm to Robin Masters
quote:The first dose of MMR is only 93% effective against measles, second dose gets to 97%. Two doses of polio vaccine is only 90% effective. These numbers are good enough because we vaccinate almost every single kid, so the ~10% of kids who aren't immune after two doses are very unlikely to ever be exposed to it.
You parents gave you polio, smallpox and measles vaccines so you wouldn’t get those diseases NOT so you would have slightly less horrific symptoms.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 11:02 pm to the808bass
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They don’t work as well as the flu shots do.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 11:03 pm to Korkstand
Perhaps it you whose parents, teachers, education system and own curiosity failed.
Dr. Jonas Salk says hello. According to the NIH, polio has been totally eradicated in the US. I’d call that vaccine 100% effective.
God I hope you’re not a doctor. If so, I bet you graduated after the mid 90’s.
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immunity" in the context of vaccines means 100% certainty. That has never been true for any vaccine. Biology is too complex for that.
Dr. Jonas Salk says hello. According to the NIH, polio has been totally eradicated in the US. I’d call that vaccine 100% effective.
God I hope you’re not a doctor. If so, I bet you graduated after the mid 90’s.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 11:08 pm to Toomer Deplorable
Oof.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 11:09 pm to the808bass
Posted on 9/8/21 at 11:10 pm to Robin Masters
quote:This is exactly the reason they changed the phrasing.
Odd voice of words considering you’ve known since elementary school that vaccines only provide protection.
I don't know what is so hard about this. If you get vaccinated, maybe you are immune, maybe you are not. If efficacy is 90%, that means it has been determined that 9 out of 10 people will be immune to the disease for a period of time. And the period of time is important, because immunity can fade. Also, even those who are immune may only be so under certain conditions. Maybe they are more susceptible due to another condition that arises. Maybe their body wouldn't be able to prevent an infection from an extreme exposure event. Maybe a hundred other things.
There are many caveats there are to "immune". Biology is messy. You guys are throwing a fit over a basic defintion that tries to condense all of that into a couple sentences.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 11:11 pm to Korkstand
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The first dose of MMR is only 93% effective against measles, second dose gets to 97%. Two doses of polio vaccine is only 90% effective. These numbers are good enough because we vaccinate almost every single kid, so the ~10% of kids who aren't immune after two doses are very unlikely to ever be exposed to it.
The most basic point which continues to miraculously elude you is that to the layperson the meaning of vaccine includes IMMUNITY. aka, “get out of death from hideous disease” pass.
To 99% of people immunity does not mean, PROTECTION.
And again, your entire premise is bunk because otherwise there would be no need to change the definition.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 11:11 pm to Toomer Deplorable
Wow
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