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re: CDC Quietly Changes It’s Official Definition of “Vaccine” and “Vaccination.”
Posted on 9/8/21 at 10:24 pm to Korkstand
Posted on 9/8/21 at 10:24 pm to Korkstand
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This is not a case of redefining what a vaccine is. This is a case of people not understanding what vaccines are and misinterpreting the basic definition.
No. Vaccines , while not always 100% effective, when they work provide immunity. The obvious attempt to slip a product which only provides protection under the commonly accepted definition of immunity is intellectually disingenuous.
And obviously your entire point is made invalid by the cdc’s need to change the definition.
If I was a less generous person I’d take this occasion to call you a fricking moron. But alas, I am most generous.
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Posted on 9/8/21 at 10:26 pm to Korkstand
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It only takes on a completely different meaning if you never knew what a vaccine was.
It’s fun watching people flock to defend positions they didn’t care about yesterday.
“Yesterday I couldn’t spell expurt. Now I are one.”
Posted on 9/8/21 at 10:27 pm to Korkstand
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you did already know what a vaccine is, then when reading any of those definitions you would understand that it is simplified for the ignorant. That's why it's on a page titled "Immunization: The Basics".
Umm, that’s who they’re trying to fool.
Wow, You really might be retarded.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 10:27 pm to Korkstand
Is “protection” completely synonymous with “immunity”? It seems to me it (protection) has a broader meaning and that is reflected in the old definitions read in conjunction with each other. The new definitions make the two words completely synonymous if you read them all in conjunction, though.
This post was edited on 9/8/21 at 10:28 pm
Posted on 9/8/21 at 10:28 pm to Korkstand
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These definitions are from a page titled "Immunization: The Basics". It's intended for an audience that has no clue what a vaccine is. To be more specific would require more than a couple sentences, and the intended audience would tune out. That's you guys. It's hard to strike a balance between conciseness for those with short attention spans and complete accuracy for those who want it.
Stop pretending this is some "official definition" and take it for what it is: a primer. Once you accept that you can learn more if you choose.
After this word salad, it is obvious you have no understanding of the word “conciseness.”
Posted on 9/8/21 at 10:30 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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Is “protection” completely synonymous with “immunity”?
Do condoms give you immunity or protection from pregnancy/std?
Posted on 9/8/21 at 10:34 pm to Robin Masters
quote:*never 100% effective
No. Vaccines , while not always 100% effective
quote:Uh, of course. That's what it "working" means. The person is immune.
when they work provide immunity
quote:These vaccines work as well as most others that we've used for decades. You do know that we shoot up every kid with multiple doses of several vaccines as toddlers, right? Even the ones we've done for a long time like polio require 3 or 4 doses before efficacy is even close to 100%.
The obvious attempt to slip a product which only provides protection under the commonly accepted definition of immunity is intellectually disingenuous.
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And obviously your entire point is made invalid by the cdc’s need to change the definition.
They only "needed" to change the phrasing because people read certain words in absolutes. There are no absolutes.
quote:Oh thank you for your generosity!
If I was a less generous person I’d take this occasion to call you a fricking moron. But alas, I am most generous.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 10:36 pm to the808bass
quote:Every day you guys find something new to misunderstand.
It’s fun watching people flock to defend positions they didn’t care about yesterday.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 10:38 pm to Korkstand
If the change is intended for those who had no understanding of vaccines, why didn’t they hold a presser to educate the masses and explain the change?
I contend they are playing word games to cover the massive failure of the vaccine they are now pushing upon Americans, even forcing in some cases, and maybe forcing nationwide depending on what Joe has to share tomorrow.
I contend they are playing word games to cover the massive failure of the vaccine they are now pushing upon Americans, even forcing in some cases, and maybe forcing nationwide depending on what Joe has to share tomorrow.
This post was edited on 9/8/21 at 10:42 pm
Posted on 9/8/21 at 10:39 pm to Robin Masters
quote:There is nothing to be fooled about here. I've known what a vaccine was since elementary school, and none of these definitions has changed my understanding. These covid vaccines are vaccines. It's not even questionable.
Umm, that’s who they’re trying to fool.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 10:40 pm to Toomer Deplorable
quote:Sorry, was it too many words for you to process? I'll try to dumb down future posts.
After this word salad, it is obvious you have no understanding of the word “conciseness.”
Posted on 9/8/21 at 10:41 pm to Korkstand
Everyday you liberals find something else to be dishonest about.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 10:42 pm to Korkstand
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They only "needed" to change the phrasing because people read certain words in absolutes. There are no absolutes.
Except that for every other vaccine I’ve gotten, prevented me from getting the corresponding disease.
Seems pretty absolute.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 10:42 pm to Korkstand
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Sorry, was it too many words for you to process? I'll try to dumb down future posts.
No need to try. Just act natural.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 10:47 pm to Y.A. Tittle
quote:Again, this is a basic definition. The problem with saying "immunity" was that apparently people read it strictly and think it means 100% certainty. These rumblings have been going around for a few months. "How can they call these vaccines if they might not make you immune?"
Is “protection” completely synonymous with “immunity”? It seems to me it (protection) has a broader meaning and that is reflected in the old definitions read in conjunction with each other. The new definitions make the two words completely synonymous if you read them all in conjunction, though.
Basically they changed to the broader term "protection" because it's less likely to be interpreted absolutely, I guess. If they only knew the childish mentality that prompted the change would be even more childish about the change.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 10:48 pm to Korkstand
Back to pretending like you know what you are talking about
Posted on 9/8/21 at 10:49 pm to Korkstand
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There is nothing to be fooled about here. I've known what a vaccine was since elementary school, and none of these definitions has changed my understanding. These covid vaccines are vaccines. It's not even questionable.
You parents gave you polio, smallpox and measles vaccines so you wouldn’t get those diseases NOT so you would have slightly less horrific symptoms.
Vaccines provide immunity. Covid provides protection of varying degree. They are not the same.
Your argument about “absolutes” is nihilist and capricious as it would basically render any definition meaningless. There are always outliers. And the whole frigging point is to fold new meaning into what is already commonly accepted.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 10:49 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
quote:Because it's really not that big a deal. You guys just make a big deal over trivial shite.
If the change is intended for those who had no understanding of vaccines, why didn’t they hold a presser to educate the masses and explain the change?
quote:The vaccines work about as well as all the other vaccines that we've used for decades.
I contend they are playing word games to cover the massive failure of the vaccine
Posted on 9/8/21 at 10:49 pm to Robin Masters
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No. Vaccines , while not always 100% effective, when they work provide immunity. The obvious attempt to slip a product which only provides protection under the commonly accepted definition of immunity is intellectually disingenuous.
And obviously your entire point is made invalid by the cdc’s need to change the definition.
If I was a less generous person I’d take this occasion to call you a fricking moron. But alas, I am most generous.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 10:50 pm to Korkstand
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only takes on a completely different meaning if you never knew what a vaccine was
Complete nonsense
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