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re: Catholic church near Boston depicts nativity with Jesus, Mary and Joseph taken by ICE
Posted on 12/4/25 at 7:04 pm to FooManChoo
Posted on 12/4/25 at 7:04 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
Oh I'm not concerned with whether or not they violate printed Catechism so much, but that they are different in belief and/or practice within a supposedly unified body.
Of course it doesn't concern you much if there is no variation from the printed official Catechism in any of the things you listed. Why? Because there's no grist for your anti-Catholic mill there, because there is no variation from the Catechism in any of the things you listed.
There's no issue here. You are distorting the facts of the situation because you seek an opening to attack Roman Catholicism.
After all, that is why you are here on Tigerdroppings, isn't it, Foo?
Roman Catholics have an exhaustively researched and footnoted Catechism that thoroughly explains what we believe and MOST of what YOU believe.
Now, we all agree in this thread that every Pastor of every denomination should stay away from politics when they preach to their flock because the flock needs to hear the Gospel, not politics. We all agree on that. So, why are you here trying to bash Roman Catholic doctrine AGAIN?
But you're right, if you are arguing that it's not going to be easy to keep all of these Bishops, Priests, Cardinals, Popes and Laity faithful to the Catechism! People will adopt a heresy here and there and it will take a strong and unified RCC to keep the faith!
Thank you for your interest in Roman Catholicism.
This post was edited on 12/4/25 at 7:37 pm
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Posted on 12/4/25 at 7:15 pm to texn
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Also, if ICE was there, wouldn't they have also nabbed the 3 Wise Men, because they came from the East (unless they had H-1B visas)
And they are black and brown which the media says are always targeted.
Posted on 12/4/25 at 8:16 pm to lake chuck fan
quote:
Revoke their tax free status
Any church that gets involved in politics should lose tax free status. If you don’t want the government involved in your business then you should have to reciprocate and stay out of the government’s.
You can exercise your right for free speech but you have to understand you’re not free from the consequences of your actions.
Posted on 12/4/25 at 8:37 pm to Night Vision
quote:
'ICE was here,'
Posted on 12/4/25 at 8:51 pm to TBPland
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Now depict the vatican with it's high walls and security telling people NO, you can't come in.
And some priests in there butt fricking kids.
Posted on 12/4/25 at 8:54 pm to RelentlessAnalysis
Egypt was a Roman province in that time.
Posted on 12/4/25 at 9:04 pm to TigerJack8
quote:Yes, it was. And Judea was not. It was made a Roman province when Jesus was about ten years old.
still that narrative that Mary and Joseph were illegal immigrantsquote:Egypt was a Roman province in that time.
No, just “immigrants” … in Egypt.
Herod did what he was told by Rome (when Rome cared about anything other than tribute), but his kingdom was nominally independent at the time of Jesus' birth. That is WHY Joseph and his family fled to Egypt. To get into Roman territory and outside Herod's jurisdiction.
I suppose that you could call them "refugees," if you prefer.
This post was edited on 12/4/25 at 9:47 pm
Posted on 12/5/25 at 12:58 am to Champagne
quote:You missed my point. My point wasn't that the diversity of belief and practice go against official Catholic doctrine, but that the diversity undermines Rome's claims of unity over and against the fractures and divisions within Protestantism. It's that claim to harmonious unity that I'm discussing.
Of course it doesn't concern you much if there is no variation from the printed official Catechism in any of the things you listed. Why? Because there's no grist for your anti-Catholic mill there, because there is no variation from the Catechism in any of the things you listed.
quote:The issue that I'm pointing out is that there is still division within Catholicism that looks just like the division within Protestantism in many ways, but because you maintain institutional unity, you claim that there is actual unity, and therefore Catholicism should be preferred to Protestantism for that reason. I'm just drawing attention to that hollow claim.
There's no issue here. You are distorting the facts of the situation because you seek an opening to attack Roman Catholicism.
quote:No, I'm here primarily to provide a Christian worldview to political and social discussions, as well as to provide commentary to religious discussions that occur here so that I can proclaim the gospel of Jesus Christ over and against false beliefs and false gospels.
After all, that is why you are here on Tigerdroppings, isn't it, Foo?
quote:I know. I've read a lot of it. That's how I know so many of the errors she teaches.
Roman Catholics have an exhaustively researched and footnoted Catechism that thoroughly explains what we believe and MOST of what YOU believe.
quote:As usual, I'm responding to a thread that someone else made. It was about a political statement made by a Roman Catholic parish. I think I'm justified to comment on this.
Now, we all agree in this thread that every Pastor of every denomination should stay away from politics when they preach to their flock because the flock needs to hear the Gospel, not politics. We all agree on that. So, why are you here trying to bash Roman Catholic doctrine AGAIN?
quote:That's true, which is why I would like to see the RCC lay down the law more and discipline those that get out of line as they are supposed to.
But you're right, if you are arguing that it's not going to be easy to keep all of these Bishops, Priests, Cardinals, Popes and Laity faithful to the Catechism! People will adopt a heresy here and there and it will take a strong and unified RCC to keep the faith!
quote:You're welcome.
Thank you for your interest in Roman Catholicism.
Posted on 12/5/25 at 1:01 am to Allister Fiend
quote:It depends what you mean by getting involved in politics. A church that holds a political rally for a candidate? Sure, that is crossing a line. But a pastor applying a Christian worldview to politics and policies and candidates is what Christians have done since the beginning.
Any church that gets involved in politics should lose tax free status. If you don’t want the government involved in your business then you should have to reciprocate and stay out of the government’s.
You can exercise your right for free speech but you have to understand you’re not free from the consequences of your actions.
Christianity isn't a Sunday-only religion. The word of God applies seven days per week, and applies to all aspects of life.
Posted on 12/5/25 at 7:07 am to Night Vision
Huh...the board caths said their Church was above the petty stuff...
Posted on 12/5/25 at 7:12 am to FooManChoo
quote:Random question...have you heard any of the John Rich interviews lately? Thoughts on his more hard arse Christian views? I don't care so much about the song he's promoting, but mostly cause I don't care for the way it's sung, words are good.
FooManChoo
The Tucker one was long and good imo. Dude is interesting.
Posted on 12/5/25 at 7:16 am to Night Vision
I have little experience in Boston and the area. Helped build a dealership in Peabody. Most unfriendly area I have ever been in. These so called Christians need to stop and reflect some more. Meditation on the Lord and not your religion.
Posted on 12/5/25 at 7:29 am to aTmTexas Dillo
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As a parishioner I'm obviously conflicted. There are many hispanics in our diocese and at my church. By all accounts there are wonderful people.
Don’t be misled by the narrative. Hispanic and illegal are not the same thing.
Posted on 12/5/25 at 8:45 am to HagaDaga
quote:I haven't heard his interviews, but from what I gather, he's very big on Christians being both politically active as well as seeking cultural revival through spiritual revival, which are things I support.
Random question...have you heard any of the John Rich interviews lately? Thoughts on his more hard arse Christian views? I don't care so much about the song he's promoting, but mostly cause I don't care for the way it's sung, words are good.
The Tucker one was long and good imo. Dude is interesting.
I'm not sure what exactly you would like some thoughts on, but would be happy to respond if you have anything in particular
Posted on 12/5/25 at 9:29 am to FooManChoo
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which is why I would like to see the RCC lay down the law more and discipline those that get out of line as they are supposed to.
And the only way you'd know whether the "lay down the law" and discipline was happening is if the RCC made all of this public so you could know. That's not going to happen. So you'll always have this particular grist for your Anti Catholic Mill.
And your contention that the Catechism is full of error is just your personal opinion. It's footnoted with references to Scripture. You personally disagree with some Scriptural interpretations. That doesn't make yours the most accurate opinion. What it does mean is that you broke from the RCC and are in a sect that is one of many that chose to interpret Scripture in your own way that is in opposition to the RCC and Orthodox Church.
That's why we have so many Protestant sects and denominations.
But the RCC from the earliest days had to contend with opposing theological views and the process of discerning a correct view took many centuries. Arianism, for example, was a persistent heresy that lasted centuries and it almost destroyed the Unity of the Church during those centuries.
Posted on 12/5/25 at 9:39 am to Cosmo
Mary and Joseph were subjects of Rome. Can one of you purple haired/man bunned biblical scholars please explain how they were illegal.
Posted on 12/5/25 at 9:56 am to texn
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3 Wise Men
They have diplomatic immunity!
Posted on 12/5/25 at 2:36 pm to Champagne
quote:But it does happen, at least from time to time. I'd like to hear more of that to have confidence that the shepherds of the flock aren't actually wolves being left to feed on the sheep.
And the only way you'd know whether the "lay down the law" and discipline was happening is if the RCC made all of this public so you could know. That's not going to happen. So you'll always have this particular grist for your Anti Catholic Mill.
quote:I guess we Protestants learned from the OGs, since the RCC and EOC have both excommunicated each other over Papal authority and the filioque.
And your contention that the Catechism is full of error is just your personal opinion. It's footnoted with references to Scripture. You personally disagree with some Scriptural interpretations. That doesn't make yours the most accurate opinion. What it does mean is that you broke from the RCC and are in a sect that is one of many that chose to interpret Scripture in your own way that is in opposition to the RCC and Orthodox Church.
But no, I don't think my contention that the Catechism is full of error is just my personal opinion. The problem is the standard for showing that an error is an error. Since Rome counts itself as an authority, it doesn't matter if I can point out contradictions with the Bible. It's a built in fail-safe mechanism.
quote:The continual splits in Protestant denominations is due to not having a singular institutional governing body like the RCC has. You keep your divisions in-house, as I was pointing to earlier.
That's why we have so many Protestant sects and denominations.
quote:Yes, I'm aware. There had been dissensions within the Church from the earliest days, but only the most severe heterodoxical positions (heresies) were addressed, like the Arians, and much difference in belief and practice exists early on, and for a long time.
But the RCC from the earliest days had to contend with opposing theological views and the process of discerning a correct view took many centuries. Arianism, for example, was a persistent heresy that lasted centuries and it almost destroyed the Unity of the Church during those centuries.
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