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re: Case of brain-dead pregnant woman kept on life support in Georgia raises tricky questions
Posted on 5/17/25 at 2:12 pm to 4cubbies
Posted on 5/17/25 at 2:12 pm to 4cubbies
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Case of brain-dead pregnant woman kept on life support in Georgia raises tricky questions
Taking this article at face value…I don’t see how even the most staunch pro life advocates wouldn’t find this a but…uncomfortable.
Part of the anti-abortion argument is that, without affirmative steps being taken by the mother, this zygote would develop (or at least has the potential to develop) into a physiologically independent human being. Thus, that action (abortion) is akin to “murder.”
That logical analysis does not apply in this case. If no action is taken by anyone, the mother will pass away as would her fetus. Very tragic indeed. Hypothetically speaking, if the mother’s wishes were to do everything medically necessary to keep her child alive, then I don’t see anything wrong with what’s going on here. However, if the mother had a DNR/DNI order and yet this was still done to her, we are getting into really murky ethical territory.
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Posted on 5/17/25 at 8:15 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Part of the anti-abortion argument is that, without affirmative steps being taken by the mother, this zygote would develop (or at least has the potential to develop) into a physiologically independent human being. Thus, that action (abortion) is akin to “murder.”
Wow...
You really have no idea what the pro-life position is.
And she did not have a DNR/DNI.
Posted on 5/17/25 at 8:32 pm to 4cubbies
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Case of brain-dead pregnant woman kept on life support in Georgia raises tricky questions
Like
“Why won’t 4cubbies admit she lied about Treyvon Martin being shot and killed by police”
Posted on 5/19/25 at 2:55 am to Narax
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Wow... You really have no idea what the pro-life position is.
I didn’t say the entirety of the position, but specifically used the word “part.”
You disagree that there is segment of the pro life contingent who view abortion as murder because, if left alone, the fetus will (or has potential to at the least) develop into a physiological independent human being?
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And she did not have a DNR/DNI.
I said “if.” OK, so in these instances when there is no advanced directive…who typically makes the decision?
Posted on 5/19/25 at 5:40 am to 4cubbies
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I’m not advocating for abortion.
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I think the most dignified solution would be to allow them both to die a natural death and reunite in heaven.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 5:44 am to 4cubbies
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Y’all cannot mentally or emotionally handle any sort of opposing viewpoint. You’re just too fragile.
Irony is ironic.
Go to DU instead.
You will love it there.
They are all about killing babies
Posted on 5/19/25 at 5:46 am to onmymedicalgrind
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However, if the mother had a DNR/DNI order and yet this was still done to her, we are getting into really murky ethical territory.
Was that the case.
I haven’t seen / read that.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 5:47 am to 4cubbies
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Y’all cannot mentally or emotionally handle any sort of opposing viewpoint. You’re just too fragile.
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4cubbies
I agree. And I’m glad someone finally had the guts to say it. Keep on being a beacon of emotionless logical thought on this board cubbies.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 6:09 am to onmymedicalgrind
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I said “if.” OK, so in these instances when there is no advanced directive…who typically makes the decision?
Lawmakers have already done that via the 2007 Georgia Advance Directive for Health Care Act.
Life support can only be withdrawn from a mother if both of the following are true:
1) the baby is not viable
2) the mother has advanced directive stating her desire to withdraw life support
The mother has no such directive.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 6:19 am to 4cubbies
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What is the state of Georgia doing?
Why are you blaming the state when the mother didn’t have her affairs in order?
She stays on life support, a healthy baby is born in a few months. Seems like the best possible outcome
Posted on 5/19/25 at 6:36 am to onmymedicalgrind
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You disagree that there is segment of the pro life contingent who view abortion as murder because, if left alone, the fetus will (or has potential to at the least) develop into a physiological independent human being?
It's an extremely small contingent if at all.
By far the extreme majority view is that it's a human being, it has human DNA and it passes all qualifiers for being alive.
If they found a fetus on Mars, the headline would be life found on Mars.
Someone on life support but alert is in the same dependent position as the fetus here.
The baby won't grow into a human being, the baby is a human being.
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who typically makes the decision?
The state in this case is representing the baby.
This post was edited on 5/19/25 at 6:39 am
Posted on 5/19/25 at 7:59 am to ibldprplgld
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Lawmakers have already done that via the 2007 Georgia Advance Directive for Health Care Act. Life support can only be withdrawn from a mother if both of the following are true: 1) the baby is not viable 2) the mother has advanced directive stating her desire to withdraw life support
Thanks for sharing, I was unaware of this law. This being a consequence of recent abortion law changes was clearly the media being intentionally misleading.
I am not a fan of having to satisfy both criteria. There just aren’t many young people who have advanced directives…he’ll, I’m in the medical field and I just got around to doing so.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 8:00 am to Narax
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It's an extremely small contingent if at all. By far the extreme majority view is that it's a human being, it has human DNA and it passes all qualifiers for being alive. If they found a fetus on Mars, the headline would be life found on Mars. Someone on life support but alert is in the same dependent position as the fetus here. The baby won't grow into a human being, the baby is a human being.
Let me try this one more time, since you clearly aren’t understanding my point.
I understand everything you just said. Now given that, explain to me why abortion is viewed as murder by people who advocate your position, while a miscarriage is not.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 8:07 am to onmymedicalgrind
do you even understand the difference between abortion and miscarriage? good lord 
Posted on 5/19/25 at 9:28 am to DawgCountry
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do you even understand the difference between abortion and miscarriage?
Pro-abortion types are always comparing abortion to miscarriages as if it's some sort of gotcha
Posted on 5/19/25 at 4:52 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Now given that, explain to me why abortion is viewed as murder by people who advocate your position, while a miscarriage is not.
Why is someone dying different than murder?
Because someone intended to end the life of a human being, took steps to end that life, and succeeded.
Motive, act, result.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 4:54 pm to 4cubbies
My wife would haunt me for the rest of my days if I let that baby die. I wouldn't even know how to repent for such a damnable sin.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 5:00 pm to 4cubbies
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I’ve have 72839 abortions.
Seems low
Posted on 5/19/25 at 5:03 pm to 4cubbies
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Georgia’s strict anti-abortion law requires that she remain on life support until the fetus has developed enough to be delivered
This is too far IMO.
This post was edited on 5/19/25 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 5/19/25 at 5:06 pm to Narax
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Why is someone dying different than murder?
Bc dying from a heart attack is different from someone getting shot in the temple? One ends up with someone in jail and the other doesn’t. Just bc they both end up in a fatality doesn’t mean they are similar in any other way my guy.
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Because someone intended to end the life of a human being, took steps to end that life, and succeeded. Motive, act, result.
You are too dumb to realize you are making my exact point for me
Well done
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