re: Can't help but notice nearly all of our former COVID cheerleaders have gone complete ghost

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CDC and WHO could not tell us if masking was helpful or not. That took awhile. Trump did bring in private industry to get the testing ramped up, but ultimately, unless you lock people down that isn't going to do much

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My point here was masks are not going to do much unless people are locked down. I did not support that type of lockdown and was making the case that it was ultimately of little help.

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It’s why we need to isolate hot spots and quarantine their at risk populations, restrict travel to and fro those regions, and otherwise place those more restrictive requirements only where needed.”

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I don't think anyone is confident enough to take that course this go 'round

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Was that not true? Was anyone confident enough to do targeted lockdowns? Not even DeSantis. Doesn't mean I support lockdowns.

Many were not paying attention to Fauci back then and many NOLA area hospitals had protocols that recommended HCQ.

With regards to Bill Gates, his organization did do viral research. Calling for a criminal investigation was based on what?

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You can't organize these gathering when there is a good chance that it will create additional vectors of illness that become a public danger

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Not untrue. The virus spreads, big surprise.

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My point here was masks are not going to do much unless people are locked down. I did not support that type of lockdown and was making the case that it was ultimately of little help.

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No, it was worse than little help. It was a nationwide moral crime that anyone who even mildly supported it should be mocked about FOREVER.

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Was that not true? Was anyone confident enough to do targeted lockdowns? Not even DeSantis

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He was SMART Enough to not do them.

[You can't organize these gathering when there is a good chance that it will create additional vectors of illness that become a public danger

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Not untrue. The virus spreads, big surprise.

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This does not =

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Doesn't mean I support lockdowns.

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re: Florida Pastor Refuses To Abide by Directive to Limit Social Gatherings - Church is OPEN!
- Jake88 on 3/24/20 at 11:16 pm

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Now, then, given a choice between the church of Pope Francis and this fine pastor's church, which would you choose for Eternity?

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Catholic Church, easily.... Posted

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Pretzel...fail:

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As usual - you think too highly of yourself.

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Nah not really. It isn't my fault that no one seems to understand immunology.

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but I really can't point to a specific number. Sorry.

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OK. Put a number on this.

Give the damage wreaked upon the American public, how many would have to have been saved to justify that shite in your mind?

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I'm solidly on record and not giving a frick about it. The fact that it appears to be the ONLY thing you can think about is the problem

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It's what I've written about primarily, mainly in threads where other doctors are trying to sell the public something that is so plainly idiotic that it beggars belief that they would actually say some of the things they've said (like depressed CD8+ function or a pathologist who doesn't refer to histopathologic sections). I'd wager nearly all my posts the last year have been in those exact types of threads, i.e., threads which are within my purview.

And I suspect we broadly agree about lockdowns and their effects, as there are very limited situations in which lockdowns can work, namely when the distribution of a pathogen is even and when there is a consistent pathognomonic sign or presentation. COVID didn't meet those conditions, and thus it made little sense to use a lockdown as a first-line strategy or even use lockdowns at all.

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He was SMART Enough to not do them

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DeSantis orders statewide shutdown for Florida through April

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Orlando Sentinel

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I was referring to the targeted shut downs

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I was too. I said nobody had the stuff to do those. Noem was the only one I recall who shutdown nothing.

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That puts him at exponentially smarter than every other fricking leader in the nation. He gave in to pressure, but then looked out on his world and actually had the spine to say, "yeah, this is fricking dumb".

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I agree. He did pretty well.

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Actually it is you with the weird take. There is nothing illogical, or hypocritical, in being in favor of covid restrictions during the pandemic and then changing your views when a less virulent Omicron takes over.

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LOL. The lock downs were never supportable but yeah, I suppose now that they're even LESS supportable, it would be wise to revise.

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I don’t think the original position was the best one

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Well yeah. Cause it wasn't.

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I think we should have protected the vulnerable and gone for herd immunity, like Sweden.

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Which we didn't. Thus, those who supported the moral crime should be mocked, shamed and never forgiven.

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Thus, those who supported the moral crime should be mocked, shamed and never forgiven.

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