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Posted on 3/7/26 at 2:18 pm to 4cubbies
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Do you believe it was just because it was sanctioned by the government?
It's so odd...
You claim to be pro-life yet refuse to commit to what it actually means.
You refer to "The God of the Old Testament" but then reply to Sally asking for details with a non committal "No".
Yet you demand Sally answer your exact question.
You do see why you are a hypocrite and a deceiver, and I've given up on giving you the benefit of the doubt.
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For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ.
And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
Posted on 3/7/26 at 2:19 pm to SallysHuman
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it's not an easy question to answer.
Yes it is. Answering it would either make you contradict yourself or be a heretic, which is why you’re refusing to answer it.
quote:. Tomorrow is Barbie night at the Pelicans game. My husband got me and my daughter tickets. Maybe I’ll buy a couple of overpriced shitty beers and dance around the arena.
I hope it works out for you next time you try.
Posted on 3/7/26 at 2:22 pm to 4cubbies
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Yes it is. Answering it would either make you contradict yourself or be a heretic, which is why you’re refusing to answer it.
Wow... Hellooo Hypocrisy...
Posted on 3/7/26 at 2:23 pm to 4cubbies
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Answering it would either make you contradict yourself or be a heretic,
I answered to the best of my understanding. How exactly would my answer contradict myself?
Have fun tomorrow night, girl's night with daughters is a blast!
Posted on 3/7/26 at 2:38 pm to FLTech
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But Trump is being way too mean and bully to China
I know - only increasing Chinese student visas to 600,000. He is way too anti-China.
/sarcasm.
Posted on 3/7/26 at 2:44 pm to Night Vision
How many are white?
Posted on 3/7/26 at 3:40 pm to SallysHuman
quote:There is nothing wrong with saying that we do not understand God's will on something completely but have faith that he will reveal what we need to know when he decides we need it while we follow what he has revealed to us in his word.
I answered to the best of my understanding. How exactly would my answer contradict myself?
As Paul said
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For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
Posted on 3/7/26 at 3:43 pm to Night Vision
I’m ok with this. It has medical uses and if it helps liberals end their emotional pain I’m ok with it as long as they aren’t still voting
Posted on 3/7/26 at 4:15 pm to 4cubbies
quote:Mind responding to my post about the biblical justification for the valid use of the death penalty?
Yes it is. Answering it would either make you contradict yourself or be a heretic, which is why you’re refusing to answer it.
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The crucifixion of Jesus was unjust. Not because crucifixion (or the death penalty, broadly) is unjust, but because Jesus didn't commit any crimes worthy of the punishment.
But would you care to explain why you think the Bible does not support the death penalty in light of my previous post?
Posted on 3/7/26 at 4:44 pm to FooManChoo
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The crucifixion of Jesus was unjust. Not because crucifixion (or the death penalty, broadly) is unjust, but because Jesus didn't commit any crimes worthy of the punishment.
And you’re absolutely certain that every other person sentenced to death by their respective governments has?
quote:I never said the Bible doesn’t support anything. The Gospel doesn’t support vengeance.
But would you care to explain why you think the Bible does not support the death penalty in light of my previous post?
Posted on 3/7/26 at 4:46 pm to SallysHuman
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I answered to the best of my understanding. How exactly would my answer contradict myself?
I asked a closed ended question. You did not answer it.
Posted on 3/7/26 at 4:52 pm to 4cubbies
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I asked a closed ended question. You did not answer it.
You mean here?
Posted on 3/7/26 at 5:47 pm to 4cubbies
quote:Not at all. There is injustice in a sinful world, including the application of the death penalty.
And you’re absolutely certain that every other person sentenced to death by their respective governments has?
I surmised that you were using the Bible to refute the support of the death penalty by Christians. I was showing you how the Bible actually supports the death penalty as a just use of the "sword", and how you really should study the Scriptures more before you use them to support your beliefs.
quote:Are you pitting the Bible and the Gospel against one another? If so, that should be a sign you are misunderstanding something.
I never said the Bible doesn’t support anything. The Gospel doesn’t support vengeance.
The Gospel is about God forgiving sinners because Jesus paid the price for sin. It does not speak to whether or not civil governments should uphold laws and put people to death for crimes.
Jesus even made this distinction in Matthew 10, where Jesus taught His disciples that there will be physical repercussions of their spiritual alliance with Him, that they would be hated and persecuted for Jesus' sake. He even famously said that He didn't come to bring peace but the sword (v. 34), because Jesus was acknowledging that the truth He brought would create division, even in families. Jesus was teaching that the disciples would even be put to death (the death penalty) for His sake. He wasn't condemning the death penalty conceptually in that statement, but the persecution that would come because of the wickedness of those who reject Christ and His followers.
Jesus, in the section, says that Christians are not to fear those who can only kill the body (the death penalty, or just straight-up murder), but to fear God, who can kill both body and soul in Hell. He's saying there that the death penalty is nothing for the Christian, because we have eternal life in Jesus.
So no, the Gospel doesn't speak to the death penalty for the civil magistrate. It speaks to forgiveness of sins in God's sight, and our right standing before Him due to what we have in Jesus.
One way to test if this is true is to ask yourself if you are OK with governments punishing anyone in any way for any crime whatsoever. If you are OK for fines and jail time, then you believe that there is a difference between Gospel forgiveness and civil forgiveness and justice.
Posted on 3/7/26 at 6:14 pm to FooManChoo
I did not make a claim about the entire Bible. I said the Gospel doesn’t aupport vengeance. I don’t claim to have the Bible memorized or that I am a biblical scholar. I know what Jesus teaches.
I do not equate paying fines with death. I do not equate detention with death. State-sanctioned execution destroys life which God created in His image and likeness.
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One way to test if this is true is to ask yourself if you are OK with governments punishing anyone in any way for any crime whatsoever.
I do not equate paying fines with death. I do not equate detention with death. State-sanctioned execution destroys life which God created in His image and likeness.
Posted on 3/7/26 at 6:23 pm to SallysHuman
I asked a yes/no question and you responded with 50 words and a hypothetical.
Posted on 3/7/26 at 6:28 pm to 4cubbies
quote:I think I'm showing that you don't actually know what Jesus teaches, and I'm encouraging you to study the Bible more, so you can have a better understanding of these things.
I did not make a claim about the entire Bible. I said the Gospel doesn’t aupport vengeance. I don’t claim to have the Bible memorized or that I am a biblical scholar. I know what Jesus teaches.
Justice is not vengeance. Vengeance is about making yourself feel better by making someone suffer. Justice is about restoring balance by giving someone what they deserve, regardless of emotions. Revenge is personal. Justice is impersonal. Vengeance is about personal satisfaction, or making yourself feel better. Justice is about upholding a standard and restoring order.
Jesus is a just judge who will judge the wicked on the day of judgement.
quote:I believe you missed my pointed or skirted the question. My point was that if you believe the state should take any sort of action against crime, then you are already thinking about justice differently from Gospel forgiveness.
I do not equate paying fines with death. I do not equate detention with death.
When we are forgiven by God, there is no judicial punishment or condemnation. If the State punishes anyone at all, that isn't the same as what God does, and therefore, if you support any punishment for crime by the state, then you are already recognizing a difference between civil justice and Gospel forgiveness. I'm just trying to point that out to you and show you that the death penalty is not a violation of the Gospel.
quote:It does destroy that life, and yet that is what even God considers just, because a person made in His image does something worthy of the forfeiture of their lives. It's the standard that God gave when He said, "Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image." (Gen. 9:6). God grounds the death penalty in man being made in His own image.
State-sanctioned execution destroys life which God created in His image and likeness.
Posted on 3/7/26 at 7:04 pm to 4cubbies
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I asked a yes/no question and you responded with 50 words and a hypothetical.
You responded with hypocrisy...
Shame shame.
You linked how for 2 years you mislead people by claiming you were "pro-life" refusing to define what you mean by that.
Deceitful.
Now you throw a pretend fit about someone not answering your question, while ignoring other peoples questions.
Again, shame shame, what hypocrisy.
Posted on 3/7/26 at 7:07 pm to Night Vision
There are no 100k self-approved suicides anywhere. This is govt enforced.
Posted on 3/7/26 at 7:18 pm to SallysHuman
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You mean here?
It was a perfectly valid answer.
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