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Can we all AGREE TO AGREE on 2 issues whether you are Liberal or Conservative....

Posted on 11/20/17 at 9:03 am
Posted by MMauler
Member since Jun 2013
19216 posts
Posted on 11/20/17 at 9:03 am
First, asset seizure laws should be strictly limited to drug dealer-type offenders where the government makes a prima facia case that the defendant's assets are more than likely the proceeds of his/her criminal activity. AND, no money or assets can ever be seized without the government filing charges against the defendant.


Second, the entire record of the Congressional Slush Fund to pay off sexual harassment victims should be completely exposed and open for public inspections. Whether this fund was paid to settle harassment claims against Democrats or Republicans, let the chips fall where they may and let's get these SCUMBAGS out of office.
This post was edited on 11/20/17 at 9:05 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/20/17 at 9:04 am to
i hope you don't get many people disagreeing with you
Posted by bamarep
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 11/20/17 at 9:06 am to
I'm in.
Posted by AustinTigr
Austin, TX
Member since Dec 2004
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Posted on 11/20/17 at 9:06 am to
I like your style, my man!
Have an upvote!
Posted by 9th life
birmingham
Member since Sep 2009
7310 posts
Posted on 11/20/17 at 9:08 am to
sure.
Posted by jamboybarry
Member since Feb 2011
32651 posts
Posted on 11/20/17 at 9:09 am to
Dilly Dilly
Posted by MMauler
Member since Jun 2013
19216 posts
Posted on 11/20/17 at 9:10 am to
I'll add a third --

F*CK RED LIGHT CAMERAS

Let's pass a state constitutional amendment to get rid of these f*cking money-grabbing nuisances.
Posted by Bard
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 11/20/17 at 9:10 am to
quote:

First, asset seizure laws should be strictly limited to drug dealer-type offenders where the government makes a prima facia case that the defendant's assets are more than likely the proceeds of his/her criminal activity. AND, no money or assets can ever be seized without the government filing charges against the defendant.




quote:

Second, the entire record of the Congressional Slush Fund to pay off sexual harassment victims should be completely exposed and open for public inspections. Whether this fund was paid to settle harassment claims against Democrats or Republicans, let the chips fall where they may and let's get these SCUMBAGS out of office.



Posted by DallasTiger
THE Capital City
Member since Jan 2004
4228 posts
Posted on 11/20/17 at 9:16 am to
Done and done.
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 11/20/17 at 9:17 am to
quote:

First, asset seizure laws should be strictly limited to drug dealer-type offenders where the government makes a prima facia case that the defendant's assets are more than likely the proceeds of his/her criminal activity. AND, no money or assets can ever be seized without the government filing charges against the defendant.


Close, but no. If it's not clearly evidence, then there should be no seizure of the property of those not yet convicted of a crime.

This would be no different than the IRS seizing all USD from everyone they press charges against because money is "clearly evidence of their tax evasion". That leaves an unconvicted man without the ability to mount a defense for himself. Prove it in court first, then we can talk about seizing assets.

I'm also not sure why we even give a shite about drug dealers. Arresting them isn't stopping drug traffic or use one bit. It makes even less sense to make CAF laws that apply only to drug dealers. You admit CAF is wrong, but think it should be used to violate the rights of one particular class of accused people. I don't understand.
This post was edited on 11/20/17 at 9:18 am
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 11/20/17 at 9:17 am to
I agree
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
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Posted on 11/20/17 at 9:18 am to
Posted by MMauler
Member since Jun 2013
19216 posts
Posted on 11/20/17 at 9:25 am to
quote:

If it's not clearly evidence, then there should be no seizure of the property of those not yet convicted of a crime.




What part of --

quote:

where the government makes a prima facia case that the defendant's assets are more than likely the proceeds of his/her criminal activity.


Do you not understand?
Posted by BlackAdam
Member since Jan 2016
6452 posts
Posted on 11/20/17 at 9:25 am to
quote:

First, asset seizure laws should be strictly limited to drug dealer-type offenders where the government makes a prima facia case that the defendant's assets are more than likely the proceeds of his/her criminal activity. AND, no money or assets can ever be seized without the government filing charges against the defendant.


Government should only be able to freeze assets with a charge. There should be a conviction before the asset seizure. Everything else, I'm good with.
Posted by seawolf06
NH
Member since Oct 2007
8159 posts
Posted on 11/20/17 at 9:28 am to
quote:

no money or assets can ever be seized without the government winning their case against the defendant


FIFY
Posted by Sidicous
Middle of Nowhere
Member since Aug 2015
17170 posts
Posted on 11/20/17 at 9:36 am to
quote:

quote:
no money or assets can ever be seized without the government winning their case against the defendant



FIFY


Agreed.

Don't even have a problem with defendants throwing millions into their legal defense. Spares their claim to an indigent defense, court appointed lawyer, as well as getting at least a "pound of flesh" law encroachment wants taken out of "criminals" hands. (the punishment and prevention of weak cases losing is what law encroachment is after in reality, as well as feeding their own greed.)
Posted by TennesseeFan25
Honolulu
Member since May 2016
8391 posts
Posted on 11/20/17 at 9:37 am to
We can't agree to not kill young babies, how the frick can we agree on anything at this point?
Posted by crewdepoo
Hogwarts
Member since Jan 2015
9599 posts
Posted on 11/20/17 at 9:40 am to
If everyone agrees with this then vote for the people that want this.
Posted by MontyFranklyn
T-Town
Member since Jan 2012
23830 posts
Posted on 11/20/17 at 9:40 am to
quote:

First, asset seizure laws should be strictly limited to drug dealer-type offenders where the government makes a prima facia case that the defendant's assets are more than likely the proceeds of his/her criminal activity. AND, no money or assets can ever be seized without the government filing charges against the defendant.
Then all the police will do is bring in a dog, make him hit even though they will find no drugs and file some type of bogus charge in relation if they don't just plant drugs themselves.
This post was edited on 11/20/17 at 9:41 am
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67488 posts
Posted on 11/20/17 at 9:42 am to
And third, our Congress is useless as tits on a bull
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