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re: Can Someone Explain Something To Me?

Posted on 9/8/24 at 11:26 pm to
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
36589 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 11:26 pm to
TLDR version?
Posted by Furious
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2023
1047 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 11:29 pm to
An inconvenient fact for those that want to rewrite history and pretend that the war was over slavery, is that there were a half million slaves in the northern states during the war.
Posted by CubsFanBudMan
Member since Jul 2008
5808 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 11:30 pm to
quote:


States can make laws allowing rape because there's nothing in the constitution about it?


Everyone is born with the right of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness according to the Constitution. States can't create laws that grant people the right to do anything, only to protect those rights they were born with.

Raping someone violates that person's rights. There are laws in place to protect individuals from being violated.
Posted by bostitch
Member since Apr 2016
706 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 11:33 pm to
You're really bad at this.

In your very first bullet you called out Article 1, Clause 9 which restricts governments ability to regulate the slave trade. The 13th Amendment banned slavery. In this case an Amendment which 'contradicted the constitution' passed and guess what happened? Slavery is banned. That's the thing about amendments and, you know, a living frickin document with no limits on how many times it can be updated. The latest and greatest supercedes the previous doc.

So to answer your question, "imma say" yes if that Amendment was passed women are now 3/5 of a person and rape is legal. I don't know that I'd wanna be the congressman to propose it and I don't know why you keep coming back to rape but whatever.

Our system works because the weird scenarios you keep describing are so unlikely to happen but even if they did we have the mechanism to fix it should we learn better. You forbid us from making mistakes and it all falls apart.

Looking forward to your next post about rape though. Keep em coming.
This post was edited on 9/8/24 at 11:39 pm
Posted by TerryDawg03
The Deep South
Member since Dec 2012
17255 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 11:35 pm to
quote:

Before answering, here's a list of statements/concepts that as far as I know, are true statements/concepts. And they are why I do not understand the glorification.


Next time you ask a loaded question, don’t tell people to wait until you provide your own answers and then argue your own points.

You never wanted explanations. You wanted to explain it yourself.
Posted by CubsFanBudMan
Member since Jul 2008
5808 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 11:37 pm to
quote:

Again, if we passed an amendment classifying women as 3/5 of a person and specified that they could be raped by a man as a result of that classification, that would pass constitutional muster?


Yes. Anything that goes through the official process to be ratified as a constitutional amendment, by definition, passes "constitutional muster." The 18th passed constitutional muster until the 21st was ratified. You could argue over which should be in place today all you want, but they both went through the correct process at the time.
Posted by PacLSU
I have been a
Member since Sep 2003
3632 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 11:56 pm to
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So that means that we have a bunch of statues/flags erected to supposedly commemorate people who usurped the constitution of the United States, took up arms against it for purposes few (if anyone) would condone today, and lost.


Here is the point that keeps you from understanding why people hold on to the Southern heritage of rebellion. The southern states did not take up arms against the northern states. They, according to their constitutional right, seceded from the Union. Abraham Lincoln and the northern states unconstitutionally invaded the southern states in order to reverse that secession. While many southern states seceded over of the institution of slavery, the war was fought because the northern states would not allow the southern states to exercise their constitutional right to secede.

People still hold on to that heritage today because they too feel that the federal government oversteps its authority. They are proud of the heritage of the willingness to fight against what they believe is tyranny from an overbearing federal government.
Posted by geauxbrown
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
22867 posts
Posted on 9/9/24 at 12:10 am to
This MF’er is voting for Kamala and Tim
Posted by Wolfwireless
Member since Aug 2024
4783 posts
Posted on 9/9/24 at 12:13 am to
quote:

s clear of you look at other documents that the militia means the citizenry, but that isn't clear at all from just reading the 2nd.


The 2a wasrtten under the principle of KISS. A military saying of Keep It Simple, Stupid. The founders believed that fewer words, left less room for reinterpretation.
This did not ta to account for how language and writing styles changed.

The start, saying that a well regulated militia for exmple is very often misunderstood. That part doesnt have anything to do with the actual people, but tells the government it has no right to deprive a state of its armed defenders. (Militia) which King George had tried to do.

But as to what you posted about. A lot of people see the flag as a symbol of rebellion. The very thing this country was founded on.
Being a Native, we wouldn't stand for the govt coming to take our tractors away. But, our tractors aren't living beings either. Even tho some of the reds did take slaves. Of any color.
Thing is you can't judge everybody the same. Yes there are those that hold that flag in the whole the south shall rise again shet, and there are those who see it as the govt can go phuck off or rebel aspect.
Posted by JackieTreehorn
Malibu
Member since Sep 2013
33140 posts
Posted on 9/9/24 at 1:19 am to
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was born in Alabama and have never lived north of South Carolina and I've never understood it.


Posted by scrooster
Resident Ethicist
Member since Jul 2012
40985 posts
Posted on 9/9/24 at 1:26 am to
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wackatimesthree

I seriously do pray that you catch a biblically wicked case of Herod's Crotch. Along with the people that brought your evil arse onto this planet and to include any offspring that you might have by accident during your miserable lifespan.
Posted by SantaFe
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
7257 posts
Posted on 9/9/24 at 1:48 am to
I would strongly suggest that you read Shelby Foote’s books on the Civil War .
Posted by Rebbedup
Member since Jun 2021
3625 posts
Posted on 9/9/24 at 1:54 am to
I’ll answer but first tell me why you democrats keep putting pedophiles in front of children in schools.
Posted by AulderMagee
Dallas
Member since Mar 2024
3087 posts
Posted on 9/9/24 at 3:21 am to
Didn't read that faaggot's diatribe.

quote:

You never wanted explanations. You wanted to explain it yourself.


yep, that's why I didn't read it.

This post was edited on 9/9/24 at 3:23 am
Posted by DMAN1968
Member since Apr 2019
11887 posts
Posted on 9/9/24 at 3:39 am to
quote:

Before answering

First 2 words of the 2nd sentence...you set conditions on the answer...way to go dumbass.
Posted by OBReb6
Memphissippi
Member since Jul 2010
41553 posts
Posted on 9/9/24 at 5:24 am to
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Thanks for answering the question and it's obviously the answer for pretty much everyone else too.

I think it's a completely strange answer—


It’s not strange at all if you understand human beings. What’s strange is analytical objections of kin based on social pressures. This has only become possible in very recent times with the advent of mass media, and huge portions of society becoming rootless cosmopolitans

quote:

if I was related to Adolf Hitler I wouldn't glorify or justify what he fought for just because I was related to him—but thanks for articulating that it really is that simple for y'all.


You try to use an extreme example to drive an emotional argument but it’s still all the same. There’s a reason they had to make anti Nazi and holocaust denial laws in Germany and other parts of Europe, because people would be inclined to take the side of their ancestors unless forcefully stopped from doing so. And many still do in secret, but the brainwashing program has been unprecedented and the consequences of being open are severe.

This is very simple human psyche stuff.
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
18620 posts
Posted on 9/9/24 at 5:51 am to
In August 1862, Lincoln stated: "If I could save the union without freeing any slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that."

Personally, I’m against slavery.
I’m also against Vietnamese children making shoes for low wages.
I’m against rape.
I’m against pedophilia.

I’m for low taxes.
I’m for energy independence.
I’m for staying out of endless wars.
I’m for leaving people alone in general.

I do not think the government is the solution to every problem, and every government program should have one decade to measure progress, and be abolished unless measurable success can be proven. “War on poverty, war on drugs, department of education” all have a miserable record and have only increased poverty, addiction, and illiteracy. Abolish all.

Posted by Hangover Haven
Metry
Member since Oct 2013
30109 posts
Posted on 9/9/24 at 6:07 am to
You're about 60 years late.
Posted by UtahCajun
Member since Jul 2021
1206 posts
Posted on 9/9/24 at 6:21 am to
quote:

Why is it that people in the south glorify Confederate Generals/Leaders/statues/flags as part of "heritage?


This is the question....

Answer is simple.

Several were military geniuses. Humans tend to do that to men who proved to be above average on the battlefield. The world is littered with statues of great military men.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
46369 posts
Posted on 9/9/24 at 6:39 am to
I'd have ignored your little plea for relevance had you not showed your arse so ugly. It's obvious you worked hard for the put-down you so arrogantly pleaded to receive. So you deserve every ounce of 'go to hell' you receive.

If you are trying to bait southerners today into defending slavery, you will be sorely disappointed.

The civil war was not initiated to stop slavery - it was to keep the southern states in the union --- as stated by Lincoln at the time:
= "if I could preserve the union by eliminating slavery, I'd do that -
--- if I could preserve the union by maintaining slavery, I'd do that -
--- if I could preserve the union by having 1/2 slave and 1/2 free, I'd do that"

Slavery was a stain on the entire human race - and had been since the dawn of time.

For you 'feels good' moral midgets, you neglect the fact that the north could have made great strides by just not purchasing all that cotton and sugar being produced by those 'EVIL SLAVERs'.

But they did what humanity always does and follows the mores of the moment and working to make their own lives more productive.

You also forget the fact that slaves were not rounded up and stolen by white people. No - slaves were PURCHASED from other BLACK people. BLACKs could have put a total stoppage to slavery by saying = 'get the hell out of here.' But they did with humanity has always done - worked to make THEIR lives more productive (by selling their own people into slavery)

The list goes on and on - but you are not worth expending the time to write yet another take-down of the mental midgets who think they can score some 'moral victory' by making some poorly thought out 'talking point' put out by the same degenerate thought process (the democrat doctrine) which dominates most political discussion for the past century.

You stupidly ask US to whip our backs in moral umbrage over YOUR 'look at MEeeeee' idiocy.

OUR ancestry WAS honorable - much more honorable than current democrat ideology - YOUR side is the one which CONTINUEs to degrade blacks - you want them to remain in squalor, depending on YOUR 'benevolence' in feeding them crumbs from you miserable welfare state in exchange for their unthinking dependability in producing VOTEs for YOU. You don't give a shite about blacks in general - you are only interested in how you can fool them into continuing to VOTE for your obscenity.

My ancestry came to America as indentured servants in the early 1700s. They have been poor, hard working, loyal citizens from day one. My brother was the first of our line to get to college, probably to even finish high school. I was the second. My maternal great-grandfather was in the Confederate army who was captured and sent to the infamous Camp Douglas prison camp where he almost died from obscenely poor conditions. ------

I could fill a book with the story of my PROUD ancestry - all from below the Mason-Dixon Line - and all of whom I am extremely proud. In my entire life, I have never heard one derogatory comment about blacks from any of them.

Take your ill-informed bullshite and stuff it up your arse.
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