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Can anybody explain to me why this Ukraine story is a big deal?

Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:28 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:28 am
how has THIS of all things allowed the fringe of the DEMs to force Nancy to start talking impeachment?

we threatened to withhold aid, so what?

the alleged person at issue isn't in the race. his father is

the same fringe who is using this to force Nancy to bend the knee also doesn't even support Biden

how is this a constitutional crisis?

how is this illegal?

sure it's impeachable, but anything can do that. you just need the votes. Trump could be impeached for wearing a suit, if Congress so decides
Posted by NIH
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Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:29 am to
Blumpf has to go
Posted by Strannix
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Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:29 am to
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how is this a constitutional crisis?



We are in a constitutional crisis, because of democrats. They are trying to make the IC and its apparatus into a administrative dictatorship.
Posted by GeauxLSUGeaux
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Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:29 am to
It shines a light on Obama administration corruption.

Therefore it’s bad.
Posted by BestBanker
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Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:30 am to
Is peeing on a bed important?
Posted by LetsgoGamecocks
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Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:32 am to
Just because you call it an impeachment inquiry or whatever else it is NOT an impeachment without a vote. Republicans should demand and pressure pelosi to bring impeachment up for a vote as it FAILED the last vote.

Let's not let the democrats have this made up talking point.
Posted by bmy
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Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:33 am to
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we threatened to withhold aid, so what?



I think the main issue is that it's intended use is to benefit trump personally (2020 campaign). I doubt trump is dumb enough to not have 2-3 other plausible reasons.. but that's the heart of it.

"There's nothing illegal about it. Somebody could say it's improper. And this isn't foreign policy — I'm asking them to do an investigation... because that information will be very, very helpful to my client.."
- Rudy G on the Biden/Ukraine investigation

This post was edited on 9/25/19 at 7:34 am
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:37 am to
It’s a constitutional crisis of the highest order. I don’t have to educate you on all of the countless impeachable offenses Trump has committed. They are all over the place.

Oh, and by the way, there are literally children in cages drinking dirty toilet water still while we just sit on our asses.
This post was edited on 9/25/19 at 7:38 am
Posted by iron banks
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Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:37 am to
Trumps eats Micky D's so in the mind of the squad he should be impeached.
Posted by TigerDoc
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Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:39 am to
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I think the main issue is that it's intended use is to benefit trump personally (2020 campaign).


And it also affects National Security. Russia is licking it chops to move in on Ukraine and Eastern Europe and Trump is shaking them down in his protection-racket manner in order to get more foreign aid to win an election (which he's obviously signaled before that he welcomes).
This post was edited on 9/25/19 at 7:42 am
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:39 am to
I am so tired. I am afraid. But I can’t give up hope.
Posted by PsychTiger
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Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:40 am to
Orange Man is to the Dems what the end of season 1 of True Detective was to you, only worse.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:40 am to
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. Russia is licking it chops to move in on Ukraine

DEMs don't want to go there, bro

Obama literally let Russia invade Ukraine and did nothing
Posted by The Maj
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Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:41 am to
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And it also affects National Security. Russia is licking it chops to move in on Ukraine


So, you missed that part happening before Trump was elected?

Bless your retarded little heart...
Posted by dstone12
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Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:42 am to
Continued coup.
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
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Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:43 am to
You think Putin just wants Crimea and the Donbas and is cool with that?
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:43 am to
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sure it's impeachable, but anything can do that. you just need the votes. Trump could be impeached for wearing a suit, if Congress so decides



That would be an interesting scenario. Theoretically Trump could take such an action before SCOTUS as being unConstitutional (not rising to the "high crimes and misdemeanors" threshold).

All that aside, attempts at Impeachment over something so minor (especially when the reason for the Impeachment falls through) does nothing but make the Impeaching party look incredibly petty and thus can gin up support/sympathy for the President and possibly his party.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:46 am to
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I think the main issue is that it's intended use is to benefit trump personally

this seems to be completely manufactured, though

Biden is slipping and was doing so prior to this Ukraine stuff. also, the people who are manufacturing this story likely don't even support him, further displaying how disingenuous this whole charade is
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:47 am to
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You think Putin just wants Crimea and the Donbas and is cool with that?

You think Russia's power grab in that area has anything to do with Trump?

Not Mr. "the 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back" Obama?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:48 am to
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All that aside, attempts at Impeachment over something so minor (especially when the reason for the Impeachment falls through) does nothing but make the Impeaching party look incredibly petty and thus can gin up support/sympathy for the President and possibly his party.

Nancy Pelosi knows this, which is why she won't let the fringe lead that charge. she's being outflanked here
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