re: Can any of the boards liberals explain this to me?

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btw the former president decided to try to keep power after he lost.

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No he didn’t. Liar.

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sometimes whataboutism is not a great look.

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Imagine being against equal application of the law. We get it, Otto. You despise the constitution.

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Nothing you said is correct, and it's stopped being disappointing that Republicans don't want Republicans to face consequences for breaking the law.

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Hey maybe those laws just aren't being enforced or prosecuted right now, that seems to be popular

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There wasn't any legitimate non-nefarious purpose for the President of the United States to ask the President of Ukraine to investigate the son of his political rival for potential (non-existent) crimes before an election.

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This statement would only be any bit valid if the part in parentheses was a known fact. It is not, and all evidence would point to that not being a fact at all. We know Hunter Biden is a crackhead, absentee father, has made millions with no discernible related skills (which he couldn’t explain himself), and that 10% goes to the big guy. Oh, and we all know his father is a plagiarist liar that tells lies to get elected. We know all of this, it is indeed fact.

Who’s the big guy?

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There is a legitimate reason for the Department of Justice to want to secure stolen documents that pertain to the national security and defense of the country. Especially when they spent over a year quietly asking for them back before going in to take them by force last week.

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If he stole the documents that didn’t belong to him, produce the damn affidavit that says so. Stealing property is a crime in every American jurisdiction and should be a pretty damn clear connection between the he alleged crime and the resulting governmental action. If his possession of said documents is a risk to national security, where is the documentation that says so? Sounds like potential crimes before an election to me, and at this point, those potential crimes are far less apparent than those potential crimes by Hunter which would possibly implicate his father.

You want to treat Hunter like a private citizen and completely separate from his father, you should have no problem getting to the bottom of his business relationships, not to mention his drug possession, lying on a federal form to purchase a firearm, etc.

You cannot separate Hunter and his dad in your arguments, so why are we being asked by the admin to do so ?

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But it's also not the President's purview to withhold aid to an ally contingent on another country investigating his political rival's son.

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Typical liberal projection. Trump never withheld aid. Biden, however, bragged about it.

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I don’t know if we will ever know if the military aid was connected to the investigation but I can see how that would muddy the waters. I can also see why it pissed off the dems that congress approved funds were potentially withheld for the investigation

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Except we do know. The entire transcript of the call was released. It was so damning to the democrats' charge that their kept media began to allege that the use of ellipses in the transcript suggested it was "altered". Laughable. When faced with the so-called pause in aid, the emails leaked to the press showed that it was part of a very public aid review process the administration was leveraging globally.

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The Trump administration has put a temporary hold on the majority of congressionally approved foreign aid funds, pending a review by the State Department and the US Agency for International Development.

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CNN AIDS LINK

There was never any mention of withholding any aid for any reason other than this review in communications with Ukraine - ever. The testimony given in those hearings were pure conjecture and supposition by known Trump partisans - one of which was actively negotiating allegiance to Ukraine as he served under sworn oath to the United States. There was never any merit to the charge, which is why Nancy Pelosi was opposed to the entire charade.

And I roundly reject the conjured idea that running for president somehow insulates someone, or their family, from legal ramifications of rather overt crimes. Those standards certainly dont seem to apply anymore.

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I don’t think he should have been impeached but I can see where Trump was operating in some grey areas.

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Where is the gray area here? We have a joint treaty with the Ukraine for anti-corruption investigations. The former VP publicly boasted of a QPQ where a special prosecutor was sacked for investigating corruption involving his son, who ADMITTED his business partners were interested in leveraging the white house through him. So again, where is the gray area?

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This statement would only be any bit valid if the part in parentheses was a known fact.

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It is a known fact. Hunter Biden is a crackhead and got his position in large part because of his connections - that doesn't mean the President should restrict foreign aid to an ally in exchange for investigating him, only because he's the son of the current President's political adversary. Obviously.

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If he stole the documents that didn’t belong to him

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He did.

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should be a pretty damn clear connection between the he alleged crime and the resulting governmental action

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Seems pretty clear. What's murky for you?

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If his possession of said documents is a risk to national security, where is the documentation that says so?

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Search warrant, which lists the crimes there was evidence of him committing at the place to be searched.

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to me

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Well there's our problem - you're mistaken.

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It is a known fact. Hunter Biden is a crackhead and got his position in large part because of his connections - that doesn't mean the President should restrict foreign aid to an ally in exchange for investigating him, only because he's the son of the current President's political adversary. Obviously.

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It sure as frick limited their aid when Joe was VP unless the Ukrainian govt got rid of the guy investigating his son's company

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He did.

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You quite literally have zero proof of this and neither does anyone else not in the govt

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Search warrant, which lists the crimes there was evidence of him committing at the place to be searched.

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The warrant explicitly stated that they were to seize every single presidential record created from 1/20/17 to 1/20/21 (even unclassified documents that were never classified). That's called a fishing expedition.

Exactly. Watched several interviews with Trump lawyers and Kash Patel. Trump had declassified a lot of documents from the russian collusion hoax and was preparing them to be released to the public. There is a reason the libs dont want the affidavit unsealed and keep saying the documents are top secret and classified. That way they can also keep the documents sealed away.

Trump directly extorted a foreign government.

As far as I know, the doj wasn’t extorted in trumps investigation.

But you probably already knew the answer and I’m just guessing you wanted an actual liberal to say it so you could commence bashing said liberal.

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Nothing you said is correct

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Tell me, specifically, what is incorrect and how.

I'll even show you how by presenting my points and backing them up with links.

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Except that he got that job only because he was the son of the sitting VP of the United States

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Hunter's working adult life has been within the framework of getting jobs because of who his father is.

-Hunter's first job out of law school (in 1996) was as a consultant for the bank holding company MBNA, whose employees donated more than $200,000 into Joe's senate campaigns. LINK Hunter's hiring at MBNA came while his father was pushing for credit card legislation which was beneficial to the credit card industry and was supported by MBNA. LINK The legislation made it more difficult to get bankruptcy protection. Because of this, National Review's Byron York would eventually begin referring to Joe Biden as "the senator from MBNA". LINK By 1998, Hunter had risen from being a consultant to executive vice president at MBNA. Two years from consultant to executive VP is impressive for anyone, especially when someone's background is a Bachelor's in Art and a law degree (ie: no actual banking experience).

-Hunter then left MBNA to be a lobbyist for a few years before being appointed to the Amtrak Board of Directors by GWB. LINK I wonder how that came about? Had Hunter suddenly switched parties? I seem to have missed his extensive and qualifying work in transportation leading up to this appointment. Can you provide a link for me?

-He served on the board from 2006-2011, but in the meantime he launched a consultancy company which offered to help companies expand into foreign markets. LINK What was his foreign trade background again?

His company was named Seneca Global Advisors and it started in 2008. Gosh... what else happened in 2008 which could have had an impact on the lives of the Bidens to the point where someone with absolutely no experience in international trade felt confident in opening a consultancy company specializing in that very thing?



-Interestingly, things really picked up for Hunter once his father became VP. In 2009 Hunter, Devon Archer, and Christopher Heinz (the step-son of John Kerry) founded the investment and advisory firm Rosemont Seneca Partners. He also co-founded venture capital firm Eudora Global. He held the position of counsel in the law firm Boies, Schiller, Flexner LLP in 2014 and was on the board of directors of World Food Program USA (a 501(c)(3) charity based in Washington, D.C. that supports the work of the UN World Food Program) from 2011 to 2017. He served as board chairman from 2011 to 2015.

But I'm sure that's all just a series of happy coincidences coinciding directly with the time of his father serving as the 2nd highest ranking member of the US government.

Several bank accounts linked to Hunter Biden have received $3.8 million in payments from CEFC China Energy during this time. LINK Why is that important? Because CEFC is an oil and gas company linked to the Chinese Communist Party and in 2014 Hunter brought officials from it to the White House to meet with Joe.

-From 2013 to 2020, Hunter somehow served as a member of the board of the China-based private equity fund BHR Partners (remember, CEFC didn't meet with Joe at the White House until 2014), of which he acquired a 10% stake in 2017 at a discount. The founders of BHR Partners included Hunter's Rosemont Seneca Partners investment firm (20% equity), along with US-based Thornton Group LLC (10% equity) and two asset managers registered in China (one of those asset managers was the Bank of China, better known as "the Chinese government"). LINK This is also the deal where the email from Hunter's laptop mentioned "10 held by H for the big guy" ("the big guy" being Joe Biden).

-In 2016 BHR capitalized the purchase of one of the world's largest cobalt mines, Tenke Fungurume, by China Molybdenum (one of its two largest shareholders is the Chinese government). LINK

How exactly does someone with no experience in China nor China's energy sector suddenly find themselves creating a private equity firm and the Bank of China comes in as an asset manager and then that company is used to push fund a deal for a Chinese government-owned mining company to purchase one of the largest cobalt mines in the world? Well, I mean without their father being Vice President of the US.

-During that time (because he's such a busy guy), Hunter joined the board of Burisma Holdings. LINK Burisma was owned by Mykola Zlochevsky, a former Ukranian politician who was facing an investigation over money laundering just after the Ukrainian revolution. Hunter was hired to help Burisma with corporate governance best practices, while still an attorney with Boies Schiller Flexner. Burisma also hired Seneca Rosemont Partners (so Hunter's company had a deal with Burisma and Hunter had his own deal with them). LINK

In 2012, Victor Shokin began investigating Mykola Zlochevsky and Burisma. In April 2014 Hunter joined Burisma's board and his company was hired by Burisma. In March 2016, then-Vice President Joe Biden threatened to withhold over $1B in aid from Ukraine if Shokin wasn't fired. Shokin was almost immediately fired and Ukraine got the money. LINK Hunter, meanwhile, served on Burisma's board until 2019, being paid up to $50k/month. Even the Obama administration was nervous about this. LINK But why would the administration be nervous if it was all just coincidences?