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Can any legal eagles explain why it's legal for the state to seize property of...
Posted on 9/13/22 at 7:58 pm
Posted on 9/13/22 at 7:58 pm
American citizens who have not been charged with or committed any crimes? I just read the Constitution the other day again, and I am not seeing where or how this was ever made legal.
Let's use Mike Lindell for instance. Let's just go with the notion that CNN says and he is completely full of shite and he has been spouting complete fabricated nonsense for 2 years. Please explain to me again what part of that is illegal and should warrant seizure of his private property for surveillance?
Are there any liberals on this board who would like to defend these actions and then explain why these are legal and not infringing on Americans rights?
Let's use Mike Lindell for instance. Let's just go with the notion that CNN says and he is completely full of shite and he has been spouting complete fabricated nonsense for 2 years. Please explain to me again what part of that is illegal and should warrant seizure of his private property for surveillance?
Are there any liberals on this board who would like to defend these actions and then explain why these are legal and not infringing on Americans rights?
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 8:23 pm to burger bearcat
I have no idea what has been seized from Lindell. What you propose below would not be legal. If you are talking about a search warrant being executed, then probable cause of a crime being committed must be shown to a judge and the items being taken have to have a connection to said crime. That would be the answer I would give. If you are arguing they are taking his stuff purely for speech, I’d have to see proof of that.
Posted on 9/13/22 at 8:28 pm to LSU2ALA
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If you are arguing they are taking his stuff purely for speech, I’d have to see proof of that.
What kind of crimes would you suppose he has committed? He was provided information from some individuals who said they had proof of election fraud. Whether you agree with with evidence being legitimate or not, explain to me why it's illegal for him to possess this information?
Mike Lindell also had nothing to do with J06 or anything prior to that. He hadn't even come out with his "evidence" until about Jan 10 or so after the incidents at the capital. He was not evwn involved in any of the litigation or anything leading up to that event.
This post was edited on 9/13/22 at 8:29 pm
Posted on 9/13/22 at 8:57 pm to burger bearcat
Trump says patriots are in control,that means the FBI in this case
Posted on 9/13/22 at 8:59 pm to burger bearcat
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What kind of crimes would you suppose he has committed?
I truthfully do not know. I know he held some events to release his info. Did he potentially charge any people for that or profit from that in any way? I have no idea. If so, I guess they may make an argument of fraud. That is pure speculation though.
I completely agree that simply saying the election was rigged is not a crime. Removing Lindell from the equation, it is not a crime nor should it be one to simply say incorrect things or outrageous things. The first amendment is incredibly broad as it should be. If you lie though to profit off it and deceive other people, that is obviously a different matter.
Posted on 9/13/22 at 9:02 pm to burger bearcat
Depends on which tier of the “justice” system you are on.
Posted on 9/13/22 at 9:22 pm to burger bearcat
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What kind of crimes would you suppose he has committed?
My guess is it has to with his possible involvement in Tina Peter's alleged crimes. Here is link to an article that was discussed in the other thread on the topic. LINK
Posted on 9/13/22 at 9:42 pm to ThuperThumpin
none of this stuff is real,it`s all a movie
Posted on 9/13/22 at 9:42 pm to Bayoutigre
Trump has control of the fbi
Posted on 9/13/22 at 9:48 pm to burger bearcat
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Let's use Mike Lindell for instance. Let's just go with the notion that CNN says and he is completely full of shite and he has been spouting complete fabricated nonsense for 2 years. Please explain to me again what part of that is illegal and should warrant seizure of his private property for surveillance?
well did you see the animal house movie?
he was on the deans secret super duper double secret probation without being told anything about it
This post was edited on 9/13/22 at 9:49 pm
Posted on 9/13/22 at 11:08 pm to LSU2ALA
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If you are talking about a search warrant being executed, then probable cause of a crime being committed must be shown to a judge and the items being taken have to have a connection to said crime.
There are still people that believe this?
Posted on 9/13/22 at 11:16 pm to burger bearcat
A judge has to sign off on the warrant for search and seizure. Whether the underlying affidavit is truthful or not is a diff story. Probable cause must be established.
Posted on 9/13/22 at 11:16 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
Payback will come.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 5:07 am to LSU2ALA
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This post was edited on 12/21/23 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 9/14/22 at 6:11 am to burger bearcat
I do no criminal work- but they have to have probable cause of a crime, and they have to convince of judge of that.
What is mystifying to me is what is mystifying to you. Even if Mike Lindell is wrong- it’s not a crime to be wrong about something.
What crime is there “probable cause to believe” Mike Lindell committed? Furthermore- there is no reason in hell they couldn’t have done this thru Lindell’s lawyer. Furthermore- It has to be narrowly tailored.
“Give me a record of every communication you’ve had over the last 10 yrs” is not narrowly tailored.
I cannot see why they can just take his cell phone, unredacted and unreviewed by an attorney.
frick the FBI
What is mystifying to me is what is mystifying to you. Even if Mike Lindell is wrong- it’s not a crime to be wrong about something.
What crime is there “probable cause to believe” Mike Lindell committed? Furthermore- there is no reason in hell they couldn’t have done this thru Lindell’s lawyer. Furthermore- It has to be narrowly tailored.
“Give me a record of every communication you’ve had over the last 10 yrs” is not narrowly tailored.
I cannot see why they can just take his cell phone, unredacted and unreviewed by an attorney.
frick the FBI
Posted on 9/14/22 at 6:18 am to burger bearcat
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Let's just go with the notion that CNN says and he is completely full of shite and he has been spouting complete fabricated nonsense for 2 years.
Think about that: CNN reporting someone is fabricating information.
If hypocrisy were a capital crime, CNN would be hanging from a tree right now.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 6:26 am to oogabooga68
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According to a copy of a subpoena uploaded by Lindell, his cell phone was taken by federal agents Tuesday as part of a warrant seeking records related to the "authorization or lack of authorization to damage or modify any Dominion computerized voting system." The investigation was also related to "any attempted misappropriation, theft, conversion, transfer, or exfiltration of any proprietary hardware, software or other data" related to the voting machines.
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In a comment to The Daily Beast, the Denver FBI field office said, "without commenting on this specific matter, I can confirm that the FBI was at that location executing a search warrant authorized by a federal judge," but said it could not comment on individual cases.
"They want to know about Dominion and Mesa County in Colorado," Lindell told Insider, referencing the ongoing investigation into Mesa County clerk Tina Peters, a pro-Trump Colorado election official accused of facilitating an election data leak.
and the funniest part is ML saying he runs 5 companies but doesnt own a computer
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"'We just want your phone,'" Lindell recalled the agents saying.
Lindell also recounted during a broadcast on Tuesday how he protested against the seizure of his phone by agents.
"I go: 'No. My whole company — I run five companies off that, I don't have a computer,'" Lindell said. "My hearing aids run off this! Everything runs off my phone!"
Posted on 9/14/22 at 6:28 am to Wednesday
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I do no criminal work- but they have to have probable cause of a crime, and they have to convince of judge of that
Considering the litany of outright lies from the FBI of late (say...for example...to the FISA Court), there should be a presumption AGAINST any affidavit from them.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 6:39 am to Wednesday
quote:Even in the event of "probable cause" this behavior is BS.
they have to have probable cause of a crime, and they have to convince of judge of that.
"Perp" walks, Mugshots with public release, and/or Asset seizure all intimate guilt before proof.
In a system proclaiming the accused are innocent until proven guilty, such behavior a legal travesty.
This post was edited on 9/14/22 at 6:41 am
Posted on 9/14/22 at 6:42 am to Wednesday
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- but they have to have probable cause of a crime, and they have to convince of judge of that.
What if they make up the crime and the judge goes along with it because he’s on the same political side and cares more about his team winning than upholding the constitution?
The absolute state of the American judicial system.
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