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re: Can a president sign an executive order to declassify anything he wants?
Posted on 8/15/22 at 5:46 am to Revelator
Posted on 8/15/22 at 5:46 am to Revelator
Do we have a signed EO stating that those documents in question have been explicitly declassified? In this case that is important. Because if he does, he can say to Garland that he did it and you say I can't, but the law gives me that right. Then we get to legal minutae and questions regarding types of docs that they can and cannot.
If he did, but it was later found he could not, that begs the question as to why they waited 18+ months to hash this out. Like I said, this is not about 3 or 4 TS/SCI files....especially if they had not asked for them.
If he did, but it was later found he could not, that begs the question as to why they waited 18+ months to hash this out. Like I said, this is not about 3 or 4 TS/SCI files....especially if they had not asked for them.
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Posted on 8/15/22 at 6:25 am to mmcgrath
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He can declassify documents (in this case he didn't), but he can't award them to himself. They are the property of the US Government and he would still be subject to the Sedition Act for mishandling them, especially when he becomes a private citizen. Obviously he didn't declassify them because then he would have been under an immediate counter intelligence investigation to figure out what he was doing with them.
He has been under counter intelligence investigation for over 6 years straight.
Posted on 8/15/22 at 6:34 am to mmcgrath
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(in this case he didn't)
You don’t know that.
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Obviously he didn't declassify them because then he would have been under an immediate counter intelligence investigation to figure out what he was doing with them.
Huh? That’s stupid.
If they went to MAR they are declassified period. End of story. How many times do we have to tell you all?
This post was edited on 8/15/22 at 6:36 am
Posted on 8/15/22 at 6:44 am to BamaAtl
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The President's classification power is just an EO - if there's a statute that supersedes that, he'll lose.
No simple jack. It's not.
Posted on 8/15/22 at 6:59 am to BamaAtl
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Not really. The President's classification power is just an EO - if there's a statute that supersedes that, he'll lose.
But, again, moot because this stuff wasn't declassified and it doesn't even matter if it was.
Stop making things up.
In 1987, the Supreme Court (again) made clear the President has constitutional power, as commander-in-chief, to classify and declassify.
Regardless of any statute passed by Congress.
Posted on 8/15/22 at 7:00 am to tarzana
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Sure he can...but Trump never did before shuttling sensitive documents out of the oval office.
I can’t tell if you’re a troll or a moron. Kash Patel has publicly stated numerous times that he worked with Trump to formally declassify those documents before Trump left office.
Formal Declassification
This post was edited on 8/15/22 at 7:09 am
Posted on 8/15/22 at 7:47 am to TBoy
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The question is whether he actual has. Executive orders must be written. They are given numbers and are published in the Federal Register and kept on file in the National Archives.
Can you cite one law…. One…. Uno… cite something that requires a president to sign an executive order to declassify information. Just one. Any one.
Citing your programming constantly leads to embarrassment for you. You would think you would learn.
So go on. Educate us. Cite is the law that requires a president to sign an EO to declassify information.
Then when you realize you have been lied to again….. remember how much you have claimed how much you hate being lied to from 16-20.
Posted on 8/15/22 at 8:30 am to Free888
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Kash Patel has publicly stated
Kash Patel is a proven liar. If you believe him it's because you're gullible or he's making money for you.
Until last Thursday this magical 'standing order' didn't exist, because it's a lie.
Posted on 8/15/22 at 8:31 am to BamaAtl
What has he lied about?
And thats gold coming from a fraud like yourself
And thats gold coming from a fraud like yourself
Posted on 8/15/22 at 10:13 am to BamaAtl
Posted on 8/15/22 at 10:34 am to Free888
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I can’t tell if you’re a troll or a moron. Kash Patel has publicly stated numerous times that he worked with Trump to formally declassify those documents before Trump left office.
Formal Declassification
You are exactly correct. This is how Trump can order things declassified. There is a written statement made by the president. There is a very strong (and likely correct) case that Trump absolutely had that power. And this is a perfect example of it. It is written, describes what is being declassified, and is signed by the President of the United States while he is president.
Now, where is the Order of declassification for what was taken out of the President's personal residence in Florida the other day?
This post was edited on 8/15/22 at 10:35 am
Posted on 8/15/22 at 10:36 am to BamaAtl
Any documents in the possession of a former President are PRESUMED declassified. This has been the case for a long time. It is up to the government to rebut that presumption.
Posted on 8/15/22 at 10:39 am to BamaAtl
You want this so badly. It is kind of sad to be honest.
Posted on 8/15/22 at 10:44 am to TBoy
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Formal Declassification
You are exactly correct. This is how Trump can order things declassified. There is a written statement made by the president. There is a very strong (and likely correct) case that Trump absolutely had that power. And this is a perfect example of it. It is written, describes what is being declassified, and is signed by the President of the United States while he is president.
Now, where is the Order of declassification for what was taken out of the President's personal residence in Florida the other day?
So how do you know that's an actual procedural requirement for "declassification" of any documents versus just something he chose to publicly do for those particular documents?
Do you know where to find "orders" from every prior president for every document that was declassified under their tenures?
This post was edited on 8/15/22 at 10:46 am
Posted on 8/15/22 at 10:47 am to TBoy
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Now, where is the Order of declassification for what was taken out of the President's personal residence in Florida the other day?
He doesn’t need one. Why can’t you understand this?
Posted on 8/15/22 at 10:48 am to Revelator
A President can sign a memo, an order.
Do this and papers are declassified
It is how Obama gave Ben Rhodes a TS clearance when he failed to pass muster passing the clearance procedure.
Of course I think Ben & Obama did 69 when Obama blessed Ben with a TS clearance.
Do this and papers are declassified
It is how Obama gave Ben Rhodes a TS clearance when he failed to pass muster passing the clearance procedure.
Of course I think Ben & Obama did 69 when Obama blessed Ben with a TS clearance.
Posted on 8/15/22 at 11:14 am to loogaroo
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He doesn’t need one. Why can’t you understand this?
You keep saying this but what you are implying makes no sense. How can Trump declassify documents that are classified without some clear statement of what is being declassified? Unless there is a clear description of what is declassified, how would anyone know?
Once governmental documents are declassified, copies can be obtained using a FOIA request. If there is no clear statement of what the President has declassified, how would anyone know what is classified and what is not?
Is there even a witness who heard Trump declassify the documents taken to Florida? Is there a verbal order? a written order? Or is there just an argument that Trump could have declassified them if he wanted to.
Are documents declassified because Trump thinks it?
Your assertion is really absurdist thinking. You are making excuses without thinking through what excuses you are making.
Posted on 8/15/22 at 11:19 am to TBoy
How does he declassify what he tells foreign leaders in conversation?
Simple…he just does it.
Simple…he just does it.
Posted on 8/15/22 at 11:36 am to loogaroo
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How does he declassify what he tells foreign leaders in conversation? Simple…he just does it.
Spoken information and documents are different. How does Trump speak boxes of documents? Your excuse making is detached from reality here. We aren’t talking about what Trump said in conversation. His conversations are not capable of being seized. Also, even if Trump makes a statement about something that is also written in a classified document, that doesn’t declassify the document. That’s just silly.
Posted on 8/15/22 at 11:42 am to tarzana
Poor tarzana, you actually thought they finally got Trump this time, didn't you.
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