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re: Can a 10 year old rape victim get an abortion? Ohio says NO

Posted on 7/5/22 at 1:57 pm to
Posted by Flats
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Posted on 7/5/22 at 1:57 pm to
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You deflected without answering.


That ain’t gonna change.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 2:00 pm to
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No - you didn’t.


I absolutely did. I'm not going to give validity to conspiracy talking points based on gifs and gossip sites. I offered that if there was anything credible, go for it.

Dude's a creep, but I'm not going down the "our sitting President is a child molester and no one cares" BS without something better.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 7/5/22 at 2:01 pm to
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Just like the idiots who type "shall not be infringed" in all caps. They want some restrictions on guns as well
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They told you what they wanted? Weird.

When pressed, most who say this mill admit that they do not want (for example) confined mental patients or incarcerated criminals to have guns. When shown that the 2nd Amendment contains no exceptions for such persons, they just argue how "that is different."

McGrath is correct on this analogy.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 2:04 pm to
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they just argue how "that is different."


That's because it is different. There's a wide gap between saying that violent felons, domestic abusers, those with diagnosed mental illnesses, etc. have surrendered certain rights, and saying "no one needs a mass weapon of war with a high clip magazine capacity."
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 7/5/22 at 2:05 pm to
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Carrying to viability and performing a c-section is an option if any health issues arise.
For a ten year old, there are elevated risks even going that route.
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Ok? So let's just kill it then? Adoption isn't an option?

Such a high profile case would undoubtedly attract lots of public attention. You'd have pro-life parents beating down her door wanting to adopt.
No doubt. There are zealots who want clean babies who salivate over this scenario, as well as separated children at the border and Russian and Chinese babies. But we aren't here to create a farm of babies for them to choose from.

Finally, can you imagine the conundrum where the 10 year old lawyers up (probably more lawyers beating down the door than adoptive parents) and demands to keep the baby even though there is no way in hell anyone should allow a ten year old to be a sole guardian for a baby?

At 6 weeks there is no viability for the clump of cells that are there. It isn't killing anything. It can some day be something, but at that point it isn't. And ignoring that that clump of cells can risk the life of the girl has to be a consideration. Doctors have to make those decisions with regular pregnancies. Sometimes there are conjoined twins that are born but there is no way for the both of them to survive and only one can live when separated.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
44255 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 2:06 pm to
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With that assumption, the daughter did not say that he did anything sexual or that he touched her inappropriately, and some folks just worry less about the nudity taboo than others. Personally, I think that the prevailing view is ridiculously Victorian,

So you approve

but I will agree that showering with a daughter would be REALLY strange, especially as she ages.

Honestly, I do not recall the allegations regarding her age at the time. Twelve would be wildly inappropriate

Or maybe you don’t.




You contradicting yourself in the same post is comical.




Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 2:07 pm to
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That's because it is different.
Not for someone who argues that the 2nd Amendment is absolute ... and that IS the position that this type of person takes when he types "What part of SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED do you not understand?"
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There's a wide gap between saying that violent felons, domestic abusers, those with diagnosed mental illnesses, etc. have surrendered certain rights, and saying "no one needs a mass weapon of war with a high clip magazine capacity."
I agree. But we are not discussing reasonable people like you and me. We are discussing absolutist extremists ... comparing/contrasting them in the abortion and firearm contexts.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
37341 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 2:08 pm to
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That's because it is different. There's a wide gap between saying that violent felons, domestic abusers, those with diagnosed mental illnesses, etc. have surrendered certain rights, and saying "no one needs a mass weapon of war with a high clip magazine capacity."
The sad thing is, that there are many who fight against restrictions for domestic abusers and mental illnesses on here regularly. And I have seen the occasional (luckily rare) post saying that felons should have firearms.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 2:09 pm to
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contradicting
I honestly think that you do not understand the meaning of this word.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 2:13 pm to
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Not for someone who argues that the 2nd Amendment is absolute ... and that IS the position that this type of person takes when he types "What part of SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED do you not understand?"


Maybe, but I'd still argue that they aren't wrong when speaking of citizens who have not surrendered their Second Amendment rights.

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I agree. But we are not discussing reasonable people like you and me. We are discussing absolutist extremists ... comparing/contrasting them in the abortion and firearm contexts.


Fair enough, but I'd absolutely include mmcgrath in that category.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 2:15 pm to
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The sad thing is, that there are many who fight against restrictions for domestic abusers and mental illnesses on here regularly. And I have seen the occasional (luckily rare) post saying that felons should have firearms.


And those folks belong in the same group as those who think we should have a federal registry or that we should ban types of firearms wholesale.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 2:15 pm to
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We are discussing absolutist extremists
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Fair enough, but I'd absolutely include mmcgrath in that category.

On which topic? Let's ask him.

MG?
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
44255 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 2:16 pm to
Are you a fan of showering with a daughter that is old enough at the time to remember it as being “awkward?”

You say yes, then you say no.

Which is it?
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 2:19 pm to
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On which topic?


Gun rights for sure. Maybe abortion, too.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
44255 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 2:19 pm to
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Dude's a creep,

I agree

but I'm not going down the "our sitting President is a child molester and no one cares" BS without something better

More deflection




So you didn’t answer the questions. Got it.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 2:20 pm to
I said in a general sense that the American phobia about the nudity taboo is a bit Victorian, then I said that I would consider "showering with a daughter (to be) be REALLY strange, especially as she ages."

There is nothing remotely "inconsistent" between those to observations.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138878 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 2:20 pm to
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Carrying to viability and performing a c-section is an option if any health issues arise.
You need to stop.
You just don't know what you're talking about.

Fortunately, as there is no announced investigation into the case of a deflowered 10y/o, it appears this thing was a gaslight.

Caitlin Bernard should get some very pointed questions over the next few days. As hers is the only name out there, she could well be a patsy in this. Nonetheless OAN, Newsmax, Veritas should stay on her until they get an answer. In the old days, FNC would already be there. I'd guess Ryan and the Murdoch spawn won't touch it though
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 2:23 pm to
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So you didn’t answer the questions. Got it.


I didn't say that I answered the questions. I answered why I ignored them, several times.

As I pointed out repeatedly, it's a big step to go from "dude's a creep" to "our sitting President is a child molester and no one cares."
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 2:24 pm to
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On which topic?
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Gun rights for sure

I've no doubt that he is Left of your or me on that topic, but I would be VERY surprised to learn that he is one of those who advocates either (a) repeal the 2nd Amendment or (b) guns only for members of an organized militia. Those are the extremist positions that I would consider to be the antipode of "the 2A let's me own tanks and nukes."
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Maybe abortion, too.
He doesn't strike me as a "late third trimester abortion is the coolest thing ever" type, either, which is the antipode of "it is 'murder' one second after fertilization."
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
44255 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 2:24 pm to
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I said in a general sense that the American phobia about the nudity taboo is a bit Victorian


Dude, you deflected from a daughter being old enough to be uncomfortable showering with her dad:

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With that assumption, the daughter did not say that he did anything sexual or that he touched her inappropriately, and some folks just worry less about the nudity taboo than others.


As noted - oppositional defiance. I still wonder “if” you are on the spectrum.
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