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re: Campbell's, Dollar General announce "pricing action" in response to tariffs
Posted on 9/5/25 at 10:28 am to Auburn1968
Posted on 9/5/25 at 10:28 am to Auburn1968
I would ask how reduced regulation/barriers to entry into markets and advancements in technology impact the long-term outlook on prices. But that may be too in the weeds for this crew.
Posted on 9/5/25 at 10:28 am to Summer of Jimbo
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When that garbage is more expensive they buy something that helps their own country instead of communist slave labor.
But if everyone is buying american, then how are we gonna eliminate income taxes? That’s the plan this week, remember?
Posted on 9/5/25 at 10:29 am to RogerTheShrubber
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What is your purchasing power compared to the average Chinese person?
Who is winning?
My purchasing power has been propped up by foreigners subsidizing the US dollar to maintain domestic jobs. That process has simultaneously destroyed US jobs, decreased US incomes and tax revenues, increased US govt dependency and US govt budget deficits. And it has created a massive overhang of foreign held dollars and dollar based assets. That's why the US is the world's largest debtor nation by a wide margin.
It won't continue indefinitely because the dollar will crash. I know you'd love to believe that there's no restraint on US borrowing and spending, either at home or abroad, but it's a fantasy you've been sold. Our foreign dependency and exploding twin deficits are evidence that ours is a dysfunctional economy.
This post was edited on 9/5/25 at 10:31 am
Posted on 9/5/25 at 10:29 am to JohnnyKilroy
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We dominate the world in services and have extreme trade surpluses for services
This is news to me. Why isn't China demanding that we use Ling Ling's Accounting, LLC? We're ripping them off!
Posted on 9/5/25 at 10:30 am to Auburn1968
Funny how none of the new TD economists noticed increased prices until January.
This post was edited on 9/5/25 at 10:31 am
Posted on 9/5/25 at 10:32 am to JohnnyKilroy
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Much easier and cheaper to just raise the price and pass as much as you can to the consumer. Would be dumb to invest the time effort and $$$$$$$$ building their own plant
This mindset is exactly why we’re in the mess we’re in economically . We need to stop passing this to a future generation because “it’s easier and cheaper” and just fix it. Sorry but it’s going to be hard.
Posted on 9/5/25 at 10:32 am to wdhalgren
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My purchasing power has been propped up by foreigners subsidizing the US dollar to maintain domestic jobs.
By manufacturing things that are lower value which benefit you.
That frees up US labor and factories to produce higher value products which make you wealthier.
Posted on 9/5/25 at 10:32 am to Summer of Jimbo
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This mindset is exactly why we’re in the mess we’re in economically . We need to stop passing this to a future generation because “it’s easier and cheaper”
Yea man capitalism fricking sucks I’m with you
Posted on 9/5/25 at 10:33 am to Ingeniero
All these tariffs will force a price "pass-through period" on imports. This refers to the time it takes for a cost change (e.g., a tariff) to be reflected in consumer prices. The degree and speed of pass-through depend on market structure, competition, and consumer price sensitivity.
Once the pass-though period is over sticky prices will ensue and will be based on consumer demand and the supply of money again.
This is a simplified way it will work on a month to month basis:
December: Price of good starting point: $1. Implement tariff:
January price: $1.05, annualized: 60% inflation. Pass-through period.
February price: $1.05, annualized: 55% inflation.
March price: $1.05, annualized: 50% inflation.
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.
.
December: $1.05, annualized: 5% inflation.
Restart:
January price: $1.05, annualized: 0% inflation.
Anti-tariff folks will propagandize annualized inflation during the price pass-through period.
Once the pass-though period is over sticky prices will ensue and will be based on consumer demand and the supply of money again.
This is a simplified way it will work on a month to month basis:
December: Price of good starting point: $1. Implement tariff:
January price: $1.05, annualized: 60% inflation. Pass-through period.
February price: $1.05, annualized: 55% inflation.
March price: $1.05, annualized: 50% inflation.
.
.
.
December: $1.05, annualized: 5% inflation.
Restart:
January price: $1.05, annualized: 0% inflation.
Anti-tariff folks will propagandize annualized inflation during the price pass-through period.
Posted on 9/5/25 at 10:36 am to GumboPot
Then a new entrant into the market charges 99 cents because they have low overhead and an advanced operation that minimizes production costs. Then that thing becomes 50 cents when something better replaces it.
Posted on 9/5/25 at 10:37 am to JohnnyKilroy
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Yea man capitalism fricking sucks
Capitalism is about competition and innovation through private ownership. Buying goods instead from a communist government that has a competitive edge by forced slavery is actually a good way to kill it.
Posted on 9/5/25 at 10:39 am to wdhalgren
quote:What country is wealthier than teh US? While our debt is ABSOLUTELY a problem, it won't be solved by introducing ineffeciencies into the economy. It will only be solved by cutting spending--which seems to be on no one's radar at this point.
We're not wealthier, we're sitting on a mountain of debt
quote:There kinda is when your currency is stronger than who you're buying from. You're not accounting for the discount built in to that trade. Nor are you accounting for the opportunity returns that come from not overpaying for goods and services.
There's no free lunch and there's no free trillion dollar trade deficit.
Posted on 9/5/25 at 10:39 am to Summer of Jimbo
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Capitalism is about competition and innovation through private ownership
Tariffs are anti capitalist.
Trump is a Mercantilist. Not a capitalist.
Mercantilism pretty much died out for good reason.
Posted on 9/5/25 at 10:41 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Tariffs are anti capitalist.
So we've never had a capitalist economy?
Posted on 9/5/25 at 10:41 am to RogerTheShrubber
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By manufacturing things that are lower value which benefit you.
That frees up US labor and factories to produce higher value products which make you wealthier.
Except that hasn't happened. If the US was producing higher value products to offset the "lower value" products, then we'd be running something closer to balanced trade, instead of growing trade deficits. Our federal govt debt wouldn't be the highest ever as a percentage of GDP. Instead, US factories disappeared, entire industries disappeared, we've become dependent on foreign vendors for critical materials and products, and we're dependent on them holding that rapidly growing flow of excess dollars that we export to the rest of the world.
No matter how you rationalize this in your head, the bottom line tells the story. When you see our trade and budget deficits dropping, you'll know we're declining toward a more sustainable level of consumption. If we wait much longer, that decline will be chaotic.
Posted on 9/5/25 at 10:42 am to wdhalgren
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Except that hasn't happened. If the US was producing higher value products to offset the "lower value" products, then we'd be running something closer to balanced trade, instead of growing trade deficits.
What’s the trade deficit look like when you add in the trillions in services we export?
Posted on 9/5/25 at 10:42 am to Klark Kent
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sort of like you Moderates did when we first started seeing moderate inflation after COVID? eta: what inflation? it’s only transitory…besides it’s $3.99 at my local Walmart, durp
Yeah, all of that has absolutely nothing to do with me or positions I believe in or have mentioned here.
Posted on 9/5/25 at 10:43 am to Summer of Jimbo
quote:Exactly. Ineffeciency is good. Last time you bought a car... did you offer the dealer more than they were asking for, you know, to help the economy?
This mindset is exactly why we’re in the mess we’re in economically . We need to stop passing this to a future generation because “it’s easier and cheaper” and just fix it. Sorry but it’s going to be hard.
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