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re: California could lose 4-5, maybe more, US congressional seats in 2030

Posted on 7/4/25 at 7:57 am to
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 7/4/25 at 7:57 am to
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Exactly my point.


So, why didn’t Indians get counted?
Posted by hansenthered1
Dixie
Member since Nov 2023
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Posted on 7/4/25 at 8:00 am to
On the surface this seems good but you forget the state legislatures will redraw the maps and they will ensure these losses happen to the few GOP seats that exist in these states. They have already done this in NY.

They are not going to let the loss of population be an obstacle to sending far left radicals from LA and San Francisco to Congress.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 7/4/25 at 8:01 am to
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So, why didn’t Indians get counted?

Indians were always tricky to deal with because they technically resided within states but where they resided was considered foreign territory.

You kind of just have to separate Indians and the laws around them from everything else because they got special treatment, and this includes the time from Elk v. Wilkins until the Indian Citizenship Act especially.

Is it 100% intellectually consistent? No, but that was the paradigm created due to the racism involved. Racism is inherently irrational and you see the fruits of that irrationality specifically in the specific analysis of the treatment of Indians in America.
Posted by Reubaltaich
A nation under duress
Member since Jun 2006
5548 posts
Posted on 7/4/25 at 8:05 am to
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Will likely take more as a Constitutional amendment should be necessary


Not necessarily.

In 2019 the SCOTUS ruled that illegal invaders could be excluded from the US Census and sent it back down to the lower courts.

For some 'strange' reason the lower courts did not get to hear the case before the 2020 US Census forms were printed. Isn't that amazing?

Ole pedo joe, in 2021, got orders from the CCP/DNC to exclude the question about citizenship on the US Census.

Lots of lessons were learned. DJT and team America is taking the fight early.

NY is already fighting this because if this goes through, nearly 2 million illegals will not be counted on the 2030 US Census.

I am sure that Commie-fornia, as well as other 'bleu' states are fighting this as well.

All this hand wringing by the left about this POS MS-13 'Maryland man' is not about dewww process. Nope. It about WHO get counted on the 2030 US Census. If illegal invaders are excluded, the balance of power on the federal level will be monumental.

The left will be set back for decades.

BTW, this is a multi-front battle.
Get the US citizenship question back on the US Census, exclude illegals from apportionment seats in the US Congress PLUS deporting millions of illegals by 2030 among other measures, it will go a LONG way in restoring our country back to greatness.

If the illegals are not on US soil, you can't count 'em on the US Census.
Posted by Bourre
Da Parish
Member since Nov 2012
23921 posts
Posted on 7/4/25 at 8:08 am to
Just stating what I read on TD, the standard of internet integrity
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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476983 posts
Posted on 7/4/25 at 8:09 am to
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In 2019 the SCOTUS ruled that illegal invaders could be excluded from the US Census

You sure about that?

I don't think they've ever ruled on those arguments/merits
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476983 posts
Posted on 7/4/25 at 8:10 am to
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Just stating what I read on T

The current poli board thinks I'm an idiot, so that should tell you all you need to know about the quality of its analysis.
Posted by Bourre
Da Parish
Member since Nov 2012
23921 posts
Posted on 7/4/25 at 8:14 am to
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The current poli board thinks I'm an idiot, so that should tell you all you need to know about the quality of its analysis.


Son, it ain’t just the poli board. Trust me, you’ve earned your reputation as an intellectual lightweight leftist
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476983 posts
Posted on 7/4/25 at 8:19 am to
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you’ve earned your reputation as an intellectual lightweight leftist




Nothing screams "Leftist" like being pro-capitalism, free trade, and less government/spending.

That is the current DEM platform for sure.
This post was edited on 7/4/25 at 8:19 am
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
182455 posts
Posted on 7/4/25 at 8:19 am to
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Just stating what I read on TD, the standard of internet integrity


Well here is something you can read on TD to end the lies

I live in LC and SFP is a lawyer here with an office downtown. I have spoken to him IRL about lawyer stuff on a few occasions for a few people who have worked for me. He took his time to look over things for them out of kindness and did not charge anything or ask for anything in return. He was responsive in the middle of his day, between depositions, to assist the people I referred. These are people who couldn't afford an attorney and needed answers, and he provided that.

He also answered a few questions for me while doing so.

Very generous and genuine of him, and I, at the very least, owe him lunch one day for doing so.

I may not always agree with everything he says here but that doesn't mean he's an idiot, not a lawyer, etc. and that he is not a nice, genuine person IRL.
Posted by dcbl
Good guys wear white hats.
Member since Sep 2013
32179 posts
Posted on 7/4/25 at 8:25 am to
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And before people melt, just remember we have been counting non-citizens for these purposes since day 1.
you are either a liar or just don't know how to read and process data

the first census in 1790 counted free white males and sorted them by over or under the age of 16; free white females and also slaves

100 years later in 1890, indians were counted for the 1st time

so the idea that eliminating illegal aliens would require a Constitutional amendment is patently absurd

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476983 posts
Posted on 7/4/25 at 8:25 am to
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the first census in 1790 counted free white males and sorted them by over or under the age of 16; free white females and also slaves


Were slaves citizens?

Were slaves even people?
This post was edited on 7/4/25 at 8:27 am
Posted by dcbl
Good guys wear white hats.
Member since Sep 2013
32179 posts
Posted on 7/4/25 at 8:33 am to
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Were slaves even people?
hmm, this seems extremely racist

and, unsurprisingly, does not address my point

let’s try a question - since natives, or indians, weren’t even counted in the 1st census, and not for 100 years after that; why would a Constitutional amendment be needed to exclude illegal aliens?

Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
182455 posts
Posted on 7/4/25 at 8:36 am to
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Were slaves citizens?

Were slaves even people?


People ITT not realizing you are correct about it being an amendment issue

This wouldn't even be an argument if the 14th Amendment language was more defined, but in 1868 they didn't foresee illegal immigration being the issue it is today. The amendment was written primarily to guarantee citizenship and equal protection to slaves, not to address future immigration policy.

We either have to fully flesh out and fully define “persons” or “jurisdiction” all the way to the SC or introduce a new Amendment
This post was edited on 7/4/25 at 8:41 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476983 posts
Posted on 7/4/25 at 8:37 am to
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hmm, this seems extremely racist

Our Founder being racist isn't a secret

quote:

and, unsurprisingly, does not address my point

Because you skipped over this

quote:

Were slaves citizens?


quote:

let’s try a question - since natives, or indians, weren’t even counted in the 1st census, and not for 100 years after that; why would a Constitutional amendment be needed to exclude illegal aliens?

Already explained

Illegals are not comparable to Indians. Nothing is really comparable to Indians. They're their own little population who got different rules than everyone else
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 7/4/25 at 8:39 am to
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the truth



Never comes from you.

Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
182455 posts
Posted on 7/4/25 at 8:39 am to
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since natives, or indians, weren’t even counted in the 1st census, and not for 100 years after that; why would a Constitutional amendment be needed to exclude illegal aliens?



Because the 14th Amendment mandates counting the “whole number of persons.”

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476983 posts
Posted on 7/4/25 at 8:39 am to
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but in 1868 they didn't foresee illegal immigration being the issue it is today.

100% correct

Posted by CDawson
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2017
20283 posts
Posted on 7/4/25 at 8:41 am to
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As a person who was in court for hours yesterday,


Public defenders are necessary, I guess.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476983 posts
Posted on 7/4/25 at 8:42 am to
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Never comes from you.

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