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Posted on 1/8/14 at 10:33 pm to dewster
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he seems like a grade A tool.
Indeed he does. I am fine with a healthy debate on the merits, but these slimy tactics merely alienate others on the council and were not going to be successful anyway because he apparently did not have the votes.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 10:37 pm to dewster
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Mayor Pro Tem Chandler Loupe said during the meeting that the “well-orchestrated event” was an attempted coup by some council members to replace St. George fire commissioners with Baton Rouge supporters.
“Everybody sitting up here knows exactly what you’re doing,” a visibly annoyed Loupe to the council. “You’re trying to get Baton Rouge Fire (Department) to take over the St. George Fire Department.”
So the city parish council sided with SG? I thought this board's opinion is that SG is without representation. It sounds like members of the council overruled the "city" members.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 10:38 pm to LSURussian
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I thought this board's opinion is that SG is without representation.
I missed that one.
There is way more in that council than the city of Baton Rouge....Zachary and Central included along with the three-four seats within St. George.
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It won't stand up in court. The lawyers get rich off of taxpayers money.
Check out the situation with the city of Germantown, TN if you have time. A municipal school district was created, but the county refused to give up control over schools within their boundaries. The city school district isn't allowed to use some school buildings in their boundaries...and those schools will not be zoned for anyone within the city.
Do you know of legal precedent for something like this? Municipal school creation isn't usually a problem...but as we've discovered, this also includes parts of Baton Rouge that are south of I-12.
It the very least, that should give East Baton Rouge Parish schools some leverage in future negotiations over legacy costs.
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 10:46 pm
Posted on 1/8/14 at 10:43 pm to dewster
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he seems like a grade A tool.
Oh, he is. Russian and I completely agree about Delgado, if he's against that dude.
A lot of the old guard are being so dirty about this thing. Calling national headquarters of chains in the St George area, and misleading them about the nature of this incorporation effort, as to get them kicked off their property when they try to hold position drives. Strong arm tactics that clearly demonstrate their allegiance is to our money, not our best interest. "Better together?" We're not better off together, they are.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 10:44 pm to tdg
What do you expect from a politician who ran for city parish council in one district and lost so he hired a polling firm to tell him which incumbent council member was the most vulnerable then moves into that district and runs against that council member the next election and wins?
That's what Delgado did to beat Bourgeois. He is desperate for power. I would not be surprised if he runs for mayor and is trying to gain favor with the public employees unions with that in mind.
That's what Delgado did to beat Bourgeois. He is desperate for power. I would not be surprised if he runs for mayor and is trying to gain favor with the public employees unions with that in mind.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 10:44 pm to dewster
quote:That is one heck of a cherry picked city map. Does it map up with current political boundaries?
Could it be tactic to lock in 4 additional schools and some neighborhoods that are within the city of Baton Rouge for the new St. George district?
Take a look at the map in this article:
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 10:47 pm to mmcgrath
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That is one heck of a cherry picked city map. Does it map up with current political boundaries?
It just seems to include everything south of I-12....which I guess is a geographic boundary, not a political or racial boundary.
Honestly the city limits of Baton Rouge are so convoluted in that area that there's no easy way to tell which street is within the city and which is not.
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 10:51 pm to dewster
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I missed that one
Earlier in this thread....the old "taxation without representation" line. Except SG has representation.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 10:53 pm to LSURussian
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Earlier in this thread....the old "taxation without representation" line. Except SG has representation.
I don't even get that. Does SG want MORE than their fair share of representation in the Council? By my count, two districts are entirely in SG - and two or three more have parts that are in SG. They would appear to be adequately represented on a 12 person council.
Maybe SG thinks they should get all 12 council members?
Posted on 1/8/14 at 10:55 pm to SpidermanTUba
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I don't even get that. Does SG want MORE than their fair share of representation in the Council? By my count, two districts are entirely in SG - and two or three more have parts that are in SG. They would appear to be adequately represented on a 12 person council.
Maybe SG thinks they should get all 12 council members?
Let's not build straw men here....some posters on a message board said that. It doesn't necessarily reflect reality or the opinion of St. George organizers.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 10:58 pm to LSURussian
I too gather that Delgado is desperate for power. I expect (or at least hope) he is shooting himself in the foot though. Even in local politics, it can't be a good idea for a white Republican to spend his time alienating white Republicans. He might get a pat on the back from Denise Marcelle, but I doubt that will make up for the negative impression he has created though his action on SG.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 10:58 pm to LSURussian
You keep saying that. Not true. The metro council members that serve only St George areas are 3 out of 12. The other 4 you try to give us only have a small percentage of their footprint within St George. You think a council member deciding whether to please the folks that make up the majority of their territory will break to represent us? No. They won't, and shouldn't. The map is terribly flawed in that regard.
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:01 pm to dewster
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It just seems to include everything south of I-12....which I guess is a geographic boundary, not a political or racial boundary.
Honestly the city limits of Baton Rouge are so convoluted in that area that there's no easy way to tell which street is within the city and which is not.
Thanks. this is kinduv a really cool case. I have fought city hall a time or two in my past. How much debt does the whole of EBR have and what is the total asset ration between the St George Parish and what is left of EBR? I can't see how a district could leave without taking its proper amount of debt.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:01 pm to Huck Finn
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You keep saying that. Not true. The metro council members that serve only St George areas are 3 out of 12.
Wow ONLY 1/4 of the entire council.
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The other 4 you try to give us only have a small percentage of their footprint within St George. You think a council member deciding whether to please the folks that make up the majority of their territory will break to represent us? No. They won't, and shouldn't. The terribly flawed in that regard.
Sounds like the solution is to redraw district lines - not start a new city.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:03 pm to mmcgrath
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I can't see how a district could leave without taking its proper amount of debt.
The organizers claim that they will take responsibility for their share of legacy costs.
My community is going through something similar now. Legacy costs were negotiated out of court and I'd hope that would occur here.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:03 pm to LSURussian
"So the city parish council sided with SG? I thought this board's opinion is that SG is without representation. It sounds like members of the council overruled the "city" members"
I think it was more a vote of disgust at the slime ball attempt by some members of the council that represent no one within the district to overtake the St. George fire Department. Delgado only has about 500 households within the St. George district and Marcelle and Collins-Lewis have none. For them to nominate members of the Baton Rouge Fire Union and to have Shane Spillman, president of the Baton Rouge fire union there to offer his support speaks very loudly as to how low they will go to maintain the cash cow.
Once the City of St. George is incorporated I believe there will be a strong push by the residents of St. George, Zachary, and Central to end the City Parish form of government. For to long now the "Old Guard" of Baton Rouge has stolen from others to pay their way. It will end soon and The City of Baton Rouge will be ruined by the shitty unions of both the BRPD and BRFD as it struggles to pay its own way.
I think it was more a vote of disgust at the slime ball attempt by some members of the council that represent no one within the district to overtake the St. George fire Department. Delgado only has about 500 households within the St. George district and Marcelle and Collins-Lewis have none. For them to nominate members of the Baton Rouge Fire Union and to have Shane Spillman, president of the Baton Rouge fire union there to offer his support speaks very loudly as to how low they will go to maintain the cash cow.
Once the City of St. George is incorporated I believe there will be a strong push by the residents of St. George, Zachary, and Central to end the City Parish form of government. For to long now the "Old Guard" of Baton Rouge has stolen from others to pay their way. It will end soon and The City of Baton Rouge will be ruined by the shitty unions of both the BRPD and BRFD as it struggles to pay its own way.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:04 pm to Huck Finn
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The metro council members that serve only St George areas are 3 out of 12.
That does not equal NO representation.
quote:I'm not trying to give you shite. The council districts map shows 4 other councilmen represent parts of the proposed ST George area.
The other 4 you try to give us
So, when anyone says SG has no representation I know they are idiots.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:04 pm to russinbr
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russinbr
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LSURussian
You two related?
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The council districts map shows 4 other councilmen represent parts of the proposed ST George area.
If one of these include some of Delgado's district, I think it's safe to say which side of the fence he's on.
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 11:06 pm
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:06 pm to russinbr
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Once the City of St. George is incorporated I believe there will be a strong push by the residents of St. George, Zachary, and Central to end the City Parish form of government.
This is GOOD for democracy and the City of Baton Rouge - they'll get to have their own government again, instead of simply being a special district governed by the Parish.
I have trouble seeing how its even Constitutional for folks representing people outside of a city to have a seat on that city's government - but that's exactly what happens in BR.
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The City of Baton Rouge will be ruined by the shitty unions of both the BRPD and BRFD as it struggles to pay its own way.
Its going to be ruined because St. George residents are going to weasel out of their liabilities and stick BR with the bill for those folks retirements.
...though probably this will be overturned after a massive lawsuit that costs St. George untold amounts.
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