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re: Breaking: Barr directs fed government to reinstate death penalty, 5 ordered executed
Posted on 7/25/19 at 11:32 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Posted on 7/25/19 at 11:32 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
13:2 Therefore, he that resisteth the power resisteth the ordinance of God. And they that resist purchase to themselves damnation.
13:3 For princes are not a terror to the good work, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? Do that which is good: and thou shalt have praise from the same.
13:4 For he is God's minister to thee, for good. But if thou do that which is evil, fear: for he beareth not the sword in vain. For he is God's minister: an avenger to execute wrath upon him that doth evil.
-Romans
I am a Catholic and I am in favor of the Death Penalty. By being in favor of the death penalty I am in no way, shape or form dissenting from the magisterium.
It is actually a heresy to consider capital punishment an intrinsic evil.
One can be opposed to it with certain caveats such as, “I don’t think it should be done in modern contexts,” however the problem with that view is it doesn’t account for the retributive side of justice, which (when administered proportionately) capital punishment satisfies.
JP2’s view can be reconciled with the tradition but is not required to be held.
In the case of Francis, he is giving an opinion (unfortunately enforcing it in the catechism) that has no bearing magisterially.
I would suggest reading Ed Feser’s book in defense of Capital Punishment, “By Man Shall his blood be shed.” That book has plenty of good info even for non-Catholics to see a Christian defense of capital punishment.
13:3 For princes are not a terror to the good work, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? Do that which is good: and thou shalt have praise from the same.
13:4 For he is God's minister to thee, for good. But if thou do that which is evil, fear: for he beareth not the sword in vain. For he is God's minister: an avenger to execute wrath upon him that doth evil.
-Romans
I am a Catholic and I am in favor of the Death Penalty. By being in favor of the death penalty I am in no way, shape or form dissenting from the magisterium.
It is actually a heresy to consider capital punishment an intrinsic evil.
One can be opposed to it with certain caveats such as, “I don’t think it should be done in modern contexts,” however the problem with that view is it doesn’t account for the retributive side of justice, which (when administered proportionately) capital punishment satisfies.
JP2’s view can be reconciled with the tradition but is not required to be held.
In the case of Francis, he is giving an opinion (unfortunately enforcing it in the catechism) that has no bearing magisterially.
I would suggest reading Ed Feser’s book in defense of Capital Punishment, “By Man Shall his blood be shed.” That book has plenty of good info even for non-Catholics to see a Christian defense of capital punishment.
This post was edited on 7/25/19 at 11:45 am
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Posted on 7/25/19 at 11:34 am to TBoy
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It's my Catholic upbringing. I don't support the death penalty, period
Jesus didn't tell the Centurions to release the thief next to Him after He forgave him.
Posted on 7/25/19 at 11:37 am to TBoy
Yep treasonous Democrats like the ones wanting open borders and abortions.
Posted on 7/25/19 at 11:44 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Anyone convicted of treason regarding the attempt to overthrow the presidency of Trump should be executed.
Posted on 7/25/19 at 11:44 am to RaginSaint43
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13:2 Therefore, he that resisteth the power resisteth the ordinance of God. And they that resist purchase to themselves damnation. 13:3 For princes are not a terror to the good work, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? Do that which is good: and thou shalt have praise from the same. 13:4 For he is God's minister to thee, for good. But if thou do that which is evil, fear: for he beareth not the sword in vain. For he is God's minister: an avenger to execute wrath upon him that doth evil.
Never debate using religious scripture. Not everyone participates in religion and such. So it's impossible for your argument to be universal and "rational".
This post was edited on 7/25/19 at 11:46 am
Posted on 7/25/19 at 11:46 am to Techdog89
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M.A.G.A. !!!!!
M.E.G.A you mean. As in executions, then yes.
Posted on 7/25/19 at 11:48 am to i am dan
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Never debate using religious scripture. Not everyone participates in religion and such. So your argument cannot be universal.
1. People are bringing up their catholic faith as reasons to oppose it, I think this is fitting.
2. There is no Universal maxim that forbids me using a book (intended for the entire universe) in discourse
3. There are plenty of philosophical arguments I use often in the defense of the death penalty, but in quoting sacred scripture I chose the higher
4. Assuming religion is irrational is absurd. The greatest tradition of philosophers were religious whether they be pagan, Jewish, Muslim or Christian. Augustine and Thomas Aquinas were some of the smartest men to walk the face of the earth and only the most hubristic materialistic reductionists would deny their impact on modern thought
5. “Not everyone participated in religion, therefore my arguments cannot be universal”
Well sir is that not like saying, “not everyone participates in the study of scientific truths, therefore I can’t speak them?”
This post was edited on 7/25/19 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 7/25/19 at 11:51 am to TBoy
quote:Bring back the Inquisition! It's not like the Catholic Church was opposed to the death penalty, just ask the Knights Templar...oops, can't do that, they got burned at the stake en masse.
That isn't whataboutism. It's my Catholic upbringing. I don't support the death penalty, period. Don't be seduced to favor the death penalty just because they chose five really really bad dudes to be the public face.
Kinda explains this current Pope, the church was for "it" before they were against "it", before they were for "it" again, and then against "it" later again...replace "it" with whatever is politically/socially expedient for the times.
Posted on 7/25/19 at 11:51 am to Centinel
quote:You must have a perverted sense of justice if you think providing food, clothing, and shelter along with education, recreation ,and even work opportunities is sufficient justice for murder.
I disagree.
quote:I agree, yet I don't think we should do away with the concept of real justice simply because humans are fallible.
And justice is certainly not served when the State executes an innocent person.
Posted on 7/25/19 at 11:52 am to TBoy
quote:you know, your transsexualism
What the living F*** are you talking about?
Posted on 7/25/19 at 11:55 am to RaginSaint43
Lol you’re quoting the Bible for authority? The same one catholic prelates use to justify boofooing children? Buahahahahaha.
Posted on 7/25/19 at 11:55 am to FooManChoo
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You must have a perverted sense of justice if you think providing food, clothing, and shelter along with education, recreation ,and even work opportunities is sufficient justice for murder.
Food, clothing, and shelter yes. However at a level far, far below what prisoners have now. The rest? No, and if it were up to me prisons would return to where they were prior to the idea of "rehabilitation."
quote:
yet I don't think we should do away with the concept of real justice simply because humans are fallible.
I'm not saying it should be done away with because humans are fallible. I'm saying it should be done away with because innocents have been, and will continue to be, executed. I'm simply not willing to trade the life of even one innocent person to the power of the State.
Posted on 7/25/19 at 12:02 pm to FooManChoo
Posted on 7/25/19 at 12:05 pm to HoganGidley
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Lol you’re quoting the Bible for authority? The same one catholic prelates use to justify boofooing children? Buahahahahaha.
The Bible is authoritative whether you believe it or not. If you believe it, then it’s definitely authoritative to that person. You can say, “I will not serve,” and reject that, but it doesn’t change the fact that it’s demanding you act in accord. It’s really not ridiculous to understand.
As in regards to “boofooing” children, this is a non sequitur, but will address it. Nowhere in the Bible does it state that those actions are in accord with the law of God. It is also in gross contrast to the natural law. So if one does not choose to follow the law and commits grave immoralities, does that make a law stupid? Criminals breaking a law makes a law useless? The problem is that men in power are not acting morally to PUNISH these crimes accordingly, which isn’t so far fetched of an idea, beings we see this problem everywhere even in secular government. Look at the Epstein case where people lambasted Acosta for letting him walk. That had nothing to do with the Catholic Church.
Posted on 7/25/19 at 12:16 pm to HoganGidley
show me the verse they use to molest children...i’ll wait. idiot.
Posted on 7/25/19 at 12:22 pm to narddogg81
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you know, your transsexualism
You must be on crack.
If you are trying to make fun of my fake name, “t-boy,” that was what my Cajun grandmother called me because I was the youngest of three brothers. The “T” is short for petite. It’s a common Cajun expression.
If you are obsessed with trannies, that says more about you than me. What highway rest stop do you hang out at?
Posted on 7/25/19 at 12:24 pm to Vecchio Cane
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Killing these 5 monsters won't stop the next 5, imo
Making it public might.
Posted on 7/25/19 at 12:29 pm to TBoy
quote:c'mon, it's not pride month anymore, but July isn't shame month. Besides, if you are not a deranged tranny, why are like you are? Nothing else makes sense
You must be on crack.
If you are trying to make fun of my fake name, “t-boy,” that was what my Cajun grandmother called me because I was the youngest of three brothers. The “T” is short for petite. It’s a common Cajun expression.
If you are obsessed with trannies, that says more about you than me. What highway rest stop do you hang out at?
Posted on 7/25/19 at 12:31 pm to narddogg81
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Nothing else makes sense
Because you are an idiot?
Posted on 7/25/19 at 12:47 pm to threeputtforbogie
quote:maybe you should go look at the dozens/hundreds of cases where people were wrongly convicted and spent 20+ years in prison for nothing. Maybe you should look at why those convictions occurred. Our system is built on prosecutors seeking their own selfish gains by "winning". They do not seek truth; they merely seek to win. I'd rather see 25 guilty people not executed than one innocent be executed.
I've never understood the opposition to the death penalty for crimes this atrocious.
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