re: Breaking: Barr directs fed government to reinstate death penalty, 5 ordered executed

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Allegedly there's a video

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Allegedly from the Q thread, reddit, and the chan's

That's a whole different definition of allegedly

I am of two minds on the death penalty.

My gut reaction is that certain people simply do not have any continuing, ongoing right to live, after they have committed acts of a particularly heinous nature.

On the other hand, the objective side of me really does try to actually look at facts.

First, juries make mistakes, And I do have some concern about executing innocent individuals.

Second, the litigation cost of executing a prisoner tends to exceed the cost of simply warehousing him for the remainder of his life. The fiscal conservative in me abhors the waste.

The 5th Amendment:

"No person shall be...deprived of LIFE, liberty, or property, without due process of law"

Is what it is, baby

Those people released from death row were mostly due to dna that we now have. If that was available back then a large swath would not have been convicted

Your numbers are irrelevant going forward

Anyone convicted of treason and trying to overthrow the Trump presidency should pay the ultimate price.

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Those people released from death row were mostly due to dna that we now have. If that was available back then a large swath would not have been convicted

Your numbers are irrelevant going forward

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You'll have to forgive me if I remain skeptical at whom my govt tells me is innocent or guilty.

I simply dont have enough faith that the same govt that has difficulty balancing a budget and counting people suddenly is perfect in determining absolute guilt every time without question.

This, especially in light of the political trials that just ended with Mueller and company. You would think that given the folks that were just prosecuted that the small govt folks might realize that there are other reasons to prosecute someone rather than finding the truth.

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Same

Although I won't be losing any sleep over these executions.

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You’re going to have to make up your mind.

I hate the idea of an entity deciding fate, but I do believe there’s a sect of humanity with an evil side to them. One that doesn’t belong with productive members of society.

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What is arbitrary about being found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, by a jury of 12 people?

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I am guessing you know very little about our judicial system if you think 12 jurors agreeing on something makes it true.

Facts: costs more; innocents executed; not a deterrent; vindictive and painful.

What's not to love about this move?

I literally never understand conservatives, especially those who recognize that govt is untrustworthy, supporting the death penalty.

I think people get too wrapped up int he emotional aspect of it and think all of us who oppose it are bleeding hearts.

But make no mistake. I have absolutely ZERO moral opposition to the death penalty. If I knew, for certain, that you raped and murdered a child, I'd pull the switch myself. And smile as I did it.

Alas, the reality is, we REALLLLLLY suck at meting out punishment in the US and this isn't because the US sucks. It's because humans are, well, human.

The reality is, LOTS of shite unrelated to guilt or innocence play a roll in whether a jury finds you guilty. People like to think it's only race, but the reality is, Denzel Washington on trial for murder stands a MUCH better chance with exact equal facts than some white dude with tattoos on his face.

Of course there's money

Then, there's shady prosecutors

Barely competent defense attorneys.

And, sometimes, just REALLY unfortunate facts that seem to tell us something that isn't actually true

Bottom line, we get it wrong and while we get it right far more often, we get it wrong WAY too much for anyone sane to be comfortable with the death penalty.