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re: Breaking: 18 children and 1 teacher dead in Texas elementary school shooting.

Posted on 5/24/22 at 6:14 pm to
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 6:14 pm to
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hubertcumberdale


Help me out here, which one of these is "Military Grade "

Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 6:16 pm to
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There are loads of school districts that do it.


There are loads of school districts with SROs. They aren’t usually at every school.

If your school has 1000 kids, you likely have an SRO on campus. If you have less than 1000, you likely don’t.

About 1/3 of schools with fewer than 500 students have an SRO.

If your school is majority black, it’s far more likely to have an SRO. Fewer than 50% of all majority white schools have SROs.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 6:16 pm to
Idk man. Those are painted black and super scary so I’m saying both.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 6:16 pm to
The one with the scary stuff.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 6:18 pm to
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There are loads of school districts with SROs. They aren’t usually at every school.

Not true in my experience. There are several parishes in Louisiana that have sheriffs officers at every single school, including private ones. I was unaware that this isn’t the case everywhere.

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If your school has 1000 kids, you likely have an SRO on campus. If you have less than 1000, you likely don’t.
News to me. I know of many smaller schools in LA that all have SRO’s.

But even if you’re correct on how many schools don’t have them, why is it not a possible solution to provide them everywhere? Money?
This post was edited on 5/24/22 at 6:21 pm
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 6:22 pm to
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Tells me that you have no clue of what you speak!


What are these "military grade weapons" of which he speaks?
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 6:22 pm to
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why is it not a possible solution to provide them everywhere?


There are no solutions. There are only trade offs.

If you could convince me that by expending an additional $50k/yr per school would result in halving our school shootings, I would be on board.

On a sheer dollar cost basis, it would be a wild proposition. Perhaps that’s ok, especially in the short term.

To add a $50k SRO to half the schools would be $6B/year. (250k public schools currently).

That’s $6B/year to try to ameliorate the effects of ~17 shootings per year with ~11 deaths/yr.

Or $600M per death.
This post was edited on 5/24/22 at 6:26 pm
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 6:23 pm to
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News to me. I know of many smaller schools in LA that all have SRO’s.


I'm pretty sure all of our middle schools and up have them. It's obviously a district/state decision and policies vary.

I don't know how expensive they are but if you get a decent person it's a win all the way around. They can spot trouble well before it starts, let the kids know that LE aren't the enemy by making them a real person, etc.
Posted by BIGFOOD
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 6:25 pm to
18 children is the count now

and 3 adults
This post was edited on 5/24/22 at 6:26 pm
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 6:25 pm to
Yes it is
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 6:26 pm to
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If the government wanted to come to your house and take your guns or just kill you they will. And you ain’t gonna do shite about it.
The perfect argument for more guns, not less.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 6:26 pm to
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If you could convince me that by expending an additional $80k/yr per school would result in halving our school shootings, I would be on board.

I promise you that SRO’s aren’t getting anywhere near 80k.

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To add a $50k SRO to half the schools would be $6B/year. (250k public schools currently).

Spread out across a very very large number of districts, where the funding would come from, I don’t see that as an insurmountable number. frick we keep shipping 5x that number to Ukraine every couple of weeks. If we think adding a trained and armed officer to every school would decrease the severity of these events (either from deterrence or counter action), that is the type of government spending I’ll get behind.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 6:27 pm to
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Drunk drivers kill people every day. So we should create laws that take away everyone's vehicle and fridge full of beer?
Hands and feet kill
more people than all rifles combined (not just the (sic) “military grade” ones). We should cut off everyone a hands and feet.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37314 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 6:27 pm to
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I'm pretty sure all of our middle schools and up have them.

Elementary too in some places (I guess not all?). Surprises me that LA is “ahead” on that.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 6:28 pm to
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Yes it is


It’s really not. What number of school shooting happen at schools with SROs?

From 2009 to 2018, there were exactly 9 shootings with more than 3 victims.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63320 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 6:28 pm to
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To add a $50k SRO to half the schools would be $6B/year. (250k public schools currently).
We just sent $40 billion to Ukraine. that will do nothing for American kids.
Posted by Trevaylin
south texas
Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 6:30 pm to




Societal push is in the opposite direction, with no bail, catch and release, early release, no incarceration.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
70639 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 6:33 pm to
19 > 3 and in some cases security was inept and didn’t do their job. It’s also not the only measure you take, my kids school is totally locked down, nobody’s getting in there and if you had real security at the few access points the likelihood of something happening is next to 0.
This post was edited on 5/24/22 at 6:34 pm
Posted by Hurricane Mike
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 6:43 pm to
I'm buying more 80% lowers and ammo and Dims can't stop me
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37314 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 6:44 pm to
I’m still not sure how SRO’s wouldn’t be at least a partial measure here. Idk how it could be argued that it would not help prevent loss of life (Parkland would be the exception here, and an example of what happens when cowards wear the badge).

There is no “solution” if we are being honest.
This post was edited on 5/24/22 at 6:46 pm
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