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re: Boy Crisis of 2025, Meet the ‘Boy Problem’ of the 1900s
Posted on 8/18/25 at 11:53 am to NC_Tigah
Posted on 8/18/25 at 11:53 am to NC_Tigah
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Girls use words in their conflicts. They can be unbelievably cruel in those interfaces. Demanding that boys settle conflicts in that way is an ill-suited battlefield for them. To further the problem, an unnatural extension is added with the #BelieveHer BS. Expecting and indoctrinating boys/men to operate in those terms is a dangerous game.
When you say "settle conflicts with words," what exactly do you mean? We should not expect males to speak about problems? I can safely assume you don't physically attack colleagues or patients you disagree with at work.
quote:Does this encompass more than physical fights? Because battery and assault are against the law, does the advocacy for physical confrontations only apply to children?
But forcing men to deal with the world entirely on women's terms can absolutely lead to male depression, or worse.
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Posted on 8/18/25 at 12:01 pm to 4cubbies
Schools should be segregated by sex. And yes, young boys and men should be able to solve some of their disputes with physical violence up to a point.
Posted on 8/18/25 at 12:07 pm to UtahCajun
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Not everyone is murdered by their own spouse, but if they are, it is their wife who did it most times.
For every 100 men who kill their wives, approximately 75 women kill their husbands, according to research from the Office of Justice Programs.
Posted on 8/18/25 at 12:08 pm to HeadCall
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Schools should be segregated by sex.
I went to an all girl high school and loved it.
Posted on 8/18/25 at 12:18 pm to 4cubbies
quote:Is that honestly what you took from my post? Serious question, I'm genuinely curious.
When you say "settle conflicts with words," what exactly do you mean? We should not expect males to speak about problems?
quote:My advocacy for males is do not voluntarily "turn the other cheek" lest you want to get slapped twice. It is a premise of response, not initiation.
Does this encompass more than physical fights? Because battery and assault are against the law, does the advocacy for physical confrontations only apply to children?
Posted on 8/18/25 at 12:42 pm to NC_Tigah
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Is that honestly what you took from my post? Serious question, I'm genuinely curious.
I don't know what you meant by that.
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My advocacy for males is do not voluntarily "turn the other cheek" lest you want to get slapped twice. It is a premise of response, not initiation.
I tell my kids to walk away if someone is being stupid. I credit my powerful flight response with my ability to lead a very peaceful life.
Posted on 8/18/25 at 1:10 pm to 4cubbies
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We should not expect males to speak about problems?
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Is that honestly what you took from my post? Serious question, I'm genuinely curious.
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I don't know what you meant by that.
You don't know what I meant when I asked if your honest take from my post is "we should not expect males to speak about problems"?
quote:So would MsNC. That's why two-parent households are so important. Because kids, especially males, need to also know what to do if they cannot walk away.
I tell my kids to walk away if someone is being stupid.
This post was edited on 8/18/25 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 8/18/25 at 1:30 pm to UtahCajun
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Was not a good date anyway, so I wasn't worried about finishing the meal alone.
Posted on 8/18/25 at 1:30 pm to NC_Tigah
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You don't know what I meant when I asked if your honest take from my post is "we should not expect males to speak about problems"?
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When you say "settle conflicts with words," what exactly do you mean?
I don't know what you meant when you said "Demanding that boys settle conflicts in that way [with words] is an ill-suited battlefield for them."
Posted on 8/18/25 at 1:31 pm to 4cubbies
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NFL, MLB, NBA, fraternities...
Maybe this is where you’re losing the plot. No man in this thread is claiming that men with exceptional abilities or talents are being left behind, though some are definitely ill prepared for their success. We’re talking about normal men. Those who do not have the ability to play in the NFL, MLB or NBA. Those organization can’t be used as some example of male organizations that normal men can find community and support by joining.
Even your example of a fraternity requires men to be prepared for and encouraged to go to college. Most boys are falling behind at such an early age that they are wildly unprepared for college. And, if their primary education leaves them unprepared for a four year university, there are usually no frats or male-only organizations at community colleges to provide support or guidance. Not to mention joining a fraternity can be expensive.
Girls, on the other hand, have women-only organizations available to them in spades all throughout their educational journey, from middle school STEM clubs to professional organizations. They are provided a level of organized support and encouragement that average men don’t have.
Your responses all over this thread are referencing people who are wildly outside of the norm. CEO’s, professional athletes, billionaires and national politicians are not at all reflective of the experience of normal men. The fact that you have to resort to referencing elite circles and organizations when reflecting on the problems of average and below men is proof that you either do not understand the problem or are playing dumb because you like the results.
This post was edited on 8/18/25 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 8/18/25 at 1:45 pm to UtahCajun
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Interesting. I have just seen snippets, but never dove into his reasoning behind his argument choices on it.
Yeah, that's why he says rights don't really exist; because if you're arguing from a materialist viewpoint, they don't.
He will do a similar thing with morality. When he's debating a moral relativist and the topic of morality comes up, the atheist always thinks it's such a GOTCHA to say something like, "You get your morality from a 4000 year old book written by ancient goat herders!"
(As though that's worse somehow than getting your morality from your imagination or a show of hands, which is the only place an atheist can get it from.)
So Wilson will just say—first thing in the debate—sure, that's fine, for the purposes of this debate I'll concede that all my religious beliefs are not true.
So your morality comes from your preferences and mine come from my preferences.
That's a stalemate with no higher authority to appeal to. There's no way for you to argue that your morality is superior to mine.
What's crazy is that the opponent almost always doesn't get it. They just keep shouting about goat herders and slavery and killing all the Canaanites.
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Bottom line, I agree with you, but it is much harder to overcome
I've said several times that I am not advocating for any particular action. Therefore, I have not called for us to overcome anything.
Someone said we don't live in a patriarchy and my position is that we do, and that in reality we can't live in anything but a patriarchy.
And the fact that masculinity has been vilified is not a function of the loss of a patriarchal society crumbling, it's the function of that patriarchal society allowing it to happen.
What you saw in the 2024 POTUS and Congressional election was the patriarchy deciding that we've gone a little too far. That was an example of a pushback. As I have said several times, I'm not predicting or advocating for a revolt.
Posted on 8/18/25 at 1:46 pm to 4cubbies
Got mine from Bureau of Justice Statistics. Sorry, no link. It is a pdf download. According to their latest data, you are not correct.
Posted on 8/18/25 at 1:47 pm to AUTiger1978
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or are playing dumb because you like the results.
She Who Lies Bigly?
You don't say.
Posted on 8/18/25 at 1:48 pm to AUTiger1978
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Maybe this is where you’re losing the plot. No man in this thread is claiming that men with exceptional abilities or talents is being left behind, though some are definitely ill prepared for their success. We’re talking about normal men. Those who do not have the ability to play in the NFL, MLB or NBA. Those organization can’t be used as some example of male organizations that normal men can find community and support by joining.
I hear you. I could be misunderstanding, but my perception is the discussion has evolved into one about the lack of male-only spaces for kids and young men. Boy Scouts turning into Scouts has been mentioned a few times. The military allowing women has been identified as contentious. Posters argue that the lack of male-only groups has caused (or contributed to) the increase in suicides for young men and boys.
Athletics, even on the booster club/playground level, provide the opportunity for boys to be surrounded by other boys exclusively. Flag football, football, baseball, etc. etc.
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Girls, on the other hand, have women-only organizations available to them in spades all throughout their educational journey, from middle school STEM clubs to professional organizations. They are provided a level of organized support and encouragement that average men don’t have.
I'm so far removed from middle school that I'll have to take your word for this. It's hard to believe schools typically have clubs open to all students or only girls, though. Like a co-ed robotics club and all-girl robotics club?
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Your responses all over this thread are referencing people who are wildly outside of the norm. CEO’s, professional athletes, billionaires and national politicians are not at all reflective of the experience of normal men. The fact that you have to resort to referencing elite circles and organizations when reflecting on the problems of average and below men is proof that you either do not understand the problem or are playing dumb because you like the results.
My responses speak to people blaming the vague and anonymous "feminism" for the situation young men find themselves in. Men have held the positions of power throughout US history. Men have created the conditions leading to this problem.
Posted on 8/18/25 at 1:52 pm to UtahCajun
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Got mine from Bureau of Justice Statistics. Sorry, no link. It is a pdf download. According to their latest data, you are not correct.
Maybe you can link the google search you performed that led you to this un-linkable pdf.
ETA: was it this one? LINK
It still shows that woman are murdered by their intimate partners at rates FAR higher than men are. Men are more likely to be murdered by friends or strangers. In 2021, 34% of female homicide victims were killed by intimate partners compared to only 6% of male victims.
This post was edited on 8/18/25 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 8/18/25 at 2:12 pm to 4cubbies
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My responses speak to people blaming the vague and anonymous "feminism"
This is vintage you.
I don't know if you're referring to me or not. I kind of hope so, since when I remind everyone that I referred you a specific author and book that is universally accepted as part of the feminist cannon, it further highlights your dishonesty since referring to a specific author and book is the opposite of being vague and anonymous.
But even without that reference and even if you're not referring to me, your statement is absurd.
You're talking about a philosophy/movement that is responsible for making abortion widespread in the US, increasing the percentage of prime age women in the workforce from 8% to 75% in 100 year's time and from 20% to 75% in only 40 year's time.
It's at least largely responsible for the divorce rate quadrupling since 1900 and the marriage rate reducing by half.
And you're putting it in quotes, like it's just a figment of people's imaginations.
You might as well be standing in Soviet Russia in 1988 saying, "I don't know what this vague, anonymous "Marxism" thing is that people are complaining about."
Posted on 8/18/25 at 2:13 pm to 4cubbies
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Men have held the positions of power throughout US history. Men have created the conditions leading to this problem.
And teachers have sexually abused children since public education has been around.
Fact, or no?
Posted on 8/18/25 at 2:15 pm to UtahCajun
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Not every woman murders their kids, but if the kid is murdered, it is most likely their own mother.
Not everyone is murdered by their own spouse, but if they are, it is their wife who did it most times.
Just remember that teachers sexually abuse children.
Posted on 8/18/25 at 2:18 pm to 4cubbies
quote:I watched parents drop their new 6th grader off for a halloween costume party at her middle school. She was dressed as a dice, cute as a button. While scooting toward the auditorium's entrance she passed a pair of older girls who scoffed "Oh, a dice .,.. how 3rd grade." The little girl was crushed. There is a feminine cruelty there, and often a greater capacity to exact it in communication.
I don't know what you meant when you said "Demanding that boys settle conflicts in that way [with words] is an ill-suited battlefield for them."
It's a mode of discord which boys struggle to match (in part because, in their case, the target might feed them their own teeth). Just the way it is.
Posted on 8/18/25 at 2:20 pm to Old Character
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Well, wasn’t really saying that
Get used to that from She Who Lies Bigly.
What you actually post is nothing more than fodder for her to intentionally mischaracterize for her own purposes.
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