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re: Bombshell audio reveals top Republican official tried to BRIBE Kari Lake to not run
Posted on 1/24/24 at 7:20 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 1/24/24 at 7:20 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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She acts for a living. She's pretty good at it, evidently.
She's a pro in front of the camera
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Posted on 1/24/24 at 7:22 pm to David_DJS
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I understand MAGA just fine. MAGA is steeped in the establishment and you're naive if you think you know how MAGA operates behind the scene.
So, you are suggesting Dewit is MAGA and Lake is not MAGA? That’s what you are saying?
Posted on 1/24/24 at 7:23 pm to jlnoles79
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She's a pro in front of the camera
I make my livin' off the evenin' news
Just give me somethin', somethin' I can use
People love it when you lose
They love dirty laundry
Posted on 1/24/24 at 7:23 pm to David_DJS
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To be clear, I'm using "MAGA" as the political machine piloted by Trump.
Like I said, you don’t understand MAGA.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 7:24 pm to David_DJS
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My definition of the establishment is it's the massive group of people, agencies, companies and other types of organizations that suck on the teat of fedgov. This includes government itself (the deep state), the MIC, contractors, businesses, NGOs, industries/organizations, lobbyists, think tanks, etc. etc.
In that particular part of your definition, we are certainly very near to alignment.
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what's interesting is if you see me post about the establishment - for example, how Trump is establishment AF - given your definition, you'd think I'm crazy or trolling and I'll think you're dim/soft for not agreeing with me because we have different ideas of what the establishment is.
I also agree that Trump is very establishment. He made his billions from being a mainstream real estate tycoon with "establishment" ties to literally everything, and from television shows/appearances. He was a longtime outspoken Democrat and a supporter and donor to HRC's first campaign. I won't deny these facts because my head isn't in the sand, contrary to what some might think. I certainly don't think you're crazy for thinking Trump is establishment when there's myriad evidence to support your opinion.
What makes me like Trump though in spite of being establishment, is how much of the other (what I consider) "establishment" types have all fallen in line in total unison to try and destroy this man's life just because he ran the country in what could be described as a "barely to the Right of 1990s Bill Clinton" fashion. They'd have killed to have him as President back then when he was a Democrat.
He certainly made his share of mistakes as President, but his efforts with border control, his handling of national economy and efforts with geopolitical ventures such as the Abraham Accords, to me cannot be overstated. As far as how "establishment" he truly is, it's certainly debatable. But given only two choices I will absolutely choose the "Trump" type establishment over Nikki "John Bolton with tits" Haley any day.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 7:25 pm to moneyg
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So, you are suggesting Dewit is MAGA and Lake is not MAGA? That’s what you are saying?
They're both MAGA.
DeWitt was Trump's AZ campaign manager. He parlayed that role into a senior position at NASA during the Trump administration. After Trump left office, he left government work and last year was nominated by Kari Lake to be the AZ Republican party chairman. Donald Trump endorsed him for that role. He's MAGA.
Kari Lake is obviously MAGA.
We just witnessed a MAGA on MAGA dust-up.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 7:25 pm to moneyg
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Like I said, you don’t understand MAGA
MAGA is Trump
Posted on 1/24/24 at 7:26 pm to moneyg
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Like I said, you don’t understand MAGA.
Says the guy that thinks MAGA is anti-establishment.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 7:27 pm to jlnoles79
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MAGA is Trump
Yep, its all wrapped around the personality of Trump
Posted on 1/24/24 at 7:33 pm to TigerAxeOK
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I also agree that Trump is very establishment. He made his billions from being a mainstream real estate tycoon with "establishment" ties to literally everything, and from television shows/appearances. He was a longtime outspoken Democrat and a supporter and donor to HRC's first campaign. I won't deny these facts because my head isn't in the sand, contrary to what some might think. I certainly don't think you're crazy for thinking Trump is establishment when there's myriad evidence to support your opinion.
What makes me like Trump though in spite of being establishment, is how much of the other (what I consider) "establishment" types have all fallen in line in total unison to try and destroy this man's life just because he ran the country in what could be described as a "barely to the Right of 1990s Bill Clinton" fashion. They'd have killed to have him as President back then when he was a Democrat.
This is all accurate. Trump is a moderate Democrat running/presiding as a Republican.
I've thought that the reason the media/elite have such a raging hardon for Trump is he makes it personal, and this is a group that does not like to be called out for their hypocrisy, nepotism, etc. Because you're right - Trump didn't do much that Bill Clinton wouldn't have done.
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He certainly made his share of mistakes as President, but his efforts with border control, his handling of national economy and efforts with geopolitical ventures such as the Abraham Accords, to me cannot be overstated. As far as how "establishment" he truly is, it's certainly debatable. But given only two choices I will absolutely choose the "Trump" type establishment over Nikki "John Bolton with tits" Haley any day.
I agree. There's no question who we have the best chance with. And I'm hoping Trump learned from his first term and decides to walk his talk. If he accomplished even half of what he says he'll do, the country will be light years better off than it is now.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 7:54 pm to David_DJS
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Says the guy that thinks MAGA is anti-establishment.
I always chuckle at your use of "establishment" as if there's some generic complaint about being establishment instead of a specific complaint about the "GOPe".
I'll go on record and say exposing a bribery on behalf of the GOPe is evidence that one is anti-GOPe.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 7:56 pm to moneyg
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I always chuckle at your use of "establishment" as if there's some generic complaint about being establishment instead of a specific complaint about the "GOPe".
What's your specific complaint about the GOPe?
Posted on 1/24/24 at 7:57 pm to David_DJS
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This is all accurate. Trump is a moderate Democrat running/presiding as a Republican.
He's a more coarse JFK on policy..
This post was edited on 1/24/24 at 8:13 pm
Posted on 1/24/24 at 8:09 pm to David_DJS
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What's your specific complaint about the GOPe?
That it is corrupt, unconcerned with the will and desires of its members, has turned the party into a facilitator of Democrat policies, and actively works to prevent those who aren't willing to play ball be/stay elected. It values self-preservation above the good of the country due to the power and money that it has accumulated.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 8:18 pm to boomtown143
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@bennyjohnson
??Bombshell audio reveals top Republican official tried to BRIBE Kari Lake to not run for the Senate in Arizona:
“Is there any companies out there or something that could just put her on the payroll to keep her out?”
Freakin heads need to roll
Posted on 1/24/24 at 8:26 pm to moneyg
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That it is corrupt, unconcerned with the will and desires of its members
There isn't a political party or faction of one going to day that isn't guilty of this.
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has turned the party into a facilitator of Democrat policies,
Like using taxpayer dollars to shore up pensions in blue cities and states?
Like using taxpayer dollars to help teachers unions frick over kids?
Like aiding/abetting things like CISA and extending Fisa?
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It values self-preservation above the good of the country due to the power and money that it has accumulated.
The establishment flourished under Trump. DEMe and GOPe alike, they flourished under Trump.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 8:41 pm to David_DJS
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There isn't a political party or faction of one going to day that isn't guilty of this.
You seem ok with that. MAGA is not.
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Like using taxpayer dollars to shore up pensions in blue cities and states?
Like using taxpayer dollars to help teachers unions frick over kids?
Like aiding/abetting things like CISA and extending Fisa?
Like controlling the Senators enough to pass legislation that allows 5K illegals a day.
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The establishment flourished under Trump. DEMe and GOPe alike, they flourished under Trump.
I'd suggest the GOPe has flourished over the last 2.5 decades at least. Pretending it's strength was a product of Trump is ridiculous.
But, that's not relevant to this discussion. I'm not ok with anyone (even Trump) attempting to remove politicians it can't control so that only those willing to play ball can win.
Kari Lake acted honorably and it's crazy to criticize her for this. The Dewit guy is at minimum a useful tool for the enemy.
This post was edited on 1/24/24 at 8:43 pm
Posted on 1/24/24 at 8:43 pm to moneyg
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Kari Lake acted honorably and it's crazy to criticize her for this. The Dewit guy is at minimum a useful tool for the enemy.
They’re lashing out because they wanted her to take the bribe and she didn’t.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:04 pm to moneyg
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You seem ok with that. MAGA is not.
That's a stupid take on anything I've ever posted. But then that's moneyg.
If MAGA is not okay with it, then maybe MAGA should stop feeding the f'n establishment.
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Like controlling the Senators enough to pass legislation that allows 5K illegals a day.
Exactly. That's a shitty thing to do, right up there with the shitty things MAGA did.
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I'd suggest the GOPe has flourished over the last 2.5 decades at least.
moneyg, water is wet. I just wanted you to know that.
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Pretending it's strength was a product of Trump is ridiculous.
What's ridiculous is the limitations you evidently have in understanding written English.
I said the establishment flourished under Trump. None of those words put in that sequence means all of the establishment's strength was a product of Trump.
The establishment/permanent Washington was much more powerful and in control on Trump's last day in office than it was on his first. That is a fact.
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Kari Lake acted honorably and it's crazy to criticize her for this.
I have not posted a single word in criticism of Kari Lake for this incident.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:13 pm to David_DJS
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That's a stupid take on anything I've ever posted. But then that's moneyg.
You always devolve to personal attacks when you start losing an argument. You did it earlier with another poster today.
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If MAGA is not okay with it, then maybe MAGA should stop feeding the f'n establishment.
MAGA is not ok with it. MAGA exposed this. If that hurts your feelings, that changes nothing.
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I said the establishment flourished under Trump. None of those words put in that sequence means all of the establishment's strength was a product of Trump.
Then your post is a meaningless statement.
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The establishment/permanent Washington was much more powerful and in control on Trump's last day in office than it was on his first. That is a fact.
...because the threat to their power caused them to truly join forces with Democrats. Sorry, I think the challenge to their power is a good thing.
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I have not posted a single word in criticism of Kari Lake for this incident.
You've criticized her throughout this thread. Perhaps it's passive criticism vs. specific to her actions, but you've certainly criticized her.
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