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re: Black jurors show a 50-point swing based on the race of the defendant.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 8:27 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 5/12/25 at 8:27 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:So, because it was done years ago and in Britain, then we should just discount the study?
a dishonest broker making an X post for idiots like OP to pass around the echo chamber?
Is that what you’re saying?
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Posted on 5/12/25 at 8:30 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:The study is in my post, what is there to discount it? Because it’s twenty years old?
That's why the person who made the post on X didn't describe anything about the study and just posted a picture.
You’re a fricking clown.
This post was edited on 5/12/25 at 8:32 am
Posted on 5/12/25 at 8:31 am to bhtigerfan
n=319 is a pretty small sample size when the potential is much, much higher. Results could be the same but such a small sample seems lazy (or biased).
Posted on 5/12/25 at 8:32 am to SlowFlowPro
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It makes it worthless as a talking point in America in 2025
You don't get to just say this and wave your hands. Support that bullshite or shut the frick up
Posted on 5/12/25 at 8:35 am to bhtigerfan
Why do you think all the leftist "justice reform," nerds (and defense lawyers) in Louisiana wanted unanimous jury verdicts so badly?
Posted on 5/12/25 at 8:37 am to OysterPoBoy
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So everybody just thinks whites are guilty.
Of crimes we weren't even alive to commit.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 8:38 am to bhtigerfan
They shouldn't be allowed on juries. This is sheer stupidity.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 8:38 am to Willie Stroker
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2007?
In England?
Is this supposed to be relevant to US culture in 2025?
You're right. It's even worse in the U.S.. Probably more like a 75 point swing.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 8:42 am to bhtigerfan
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So, because it was done years ago and in Britain, then we should just discount the study?
Is that what you’re saying?
Yes. What is the relevance to the US today?
Their criminal justice system is fundamentally different than ours in many respects
Our demographics are different
The sociological histories of the various demographics are very different
This post was edited on 5/12/25 at 8:45 am
Posted on 5/12/25 at 8:58 am to BTROleMisser
I would wager it's far worse than 75%.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 9:01 am to OysterPoBoy
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So everybody just thinks whites are guilty.
Whites hold themselves to a higher standard. Especially white males.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 9:01 am to burger bearcat
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Segregation seriously needs to be reintroduced into the cultural vocabulary. Boomers would melt over bringing it back, because they believe the Civil Rights BS was their greatest moment. It was all a sham, and I do believe it would be best for all parties involved if we separated. Most minorities cannot function in a multi-ethnic mass democracy like what we are living in.
Agreed 100%. We gave the integration thing our best try...it didnt work. I actually think segregation would lead to a lot better interaction between people when it happens.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 9:08 am to NC_Tigah
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Here is the Study
Thanks.
Why the methodology is problematic:
1. The data collection occurred in 2003 and 2005, on another continent. Even if we don't try to generalize the findings, given the society changes over the last two decades, the findings do not reflect current dynamics anywhere in the world.
2. While simulations offer control, they don't capture the complexity and pressures of real trials, which would absolutely affect juror behavior.
3. The analysis of real life verdicts was far too limited to offer any significance.
4. How many potential pretend jurors declined to participate, and why?
5. The focus solely on race overlooks other dynamics that could explain the verdicts, outside of race. In other words, there could be several other correlating factors that we are not aware of.
6. The term "informed consent" or even "consent" do not appear anywhere in this study, which raises questions about ethics and what the participants thought they were being tested about.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 1:33 pm to 4cubbies
quote:Every one of those issues could be problematic. No question. But so is the fact there was apparently no attempted follow up during the ensuing two decades, either there or here.
Why the methodology is problematic:
Posted on 5/12/25 at 1:41 pm to bhtigerfan
This is why no Democrat brought to trial in DC will be convicted. The democrat pols raising he’ll and trespassing at an ICE facility can do it with impunity. Ahh, The American Experiment.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 1:45 pm to bhtigerfan
So blacks are racist? What's new?
Posted on 5/12/25 at 2:04 pm to 4cubbies
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How many potential pretend jurors declined to participate, and why?
Again ... your analysis is just as biased and flawed as the study you purport to be biased and flawed ...
Throwing in that word (as shade) does little to undermine anything ...
You need a class on objective reasoning before you analyze anything, doll ...
Posted on 5/12/25 at 2:23 pm to 4cubbies
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It wouldn’t be ethical to actually study this in a way that would provide valid data.
The link has the study included along with methods.
What exactly is the question about “valid data” that the summary doesn’t answer?
Posted on 5/12/25 at 2:28 pm to 4cubbies
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Why the methodology is problematic
Are you not the one who claims that the reason the crime statistics are the way they are is because of “biased policing”?
quote:
Even if we don't try to generalize the findings, given the society changes over the last two decades
What exactly are the “society changes” that you speak of? From then till now?
quote:
While simulations offer control, they don't capture the complexity and pressures of real trials, which would absolutely affect juror behavior.
In your search for correct methodology… I’ll now ask for the data to back that up.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 2:29 pm to 4cubbies
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1. The data collection occurred in 2003 and 2005, on another continent. Even if we don't try to generalize the findings, given the society changes over the last two decades, the findings do not reflect current dynamics anywhere in the world
The above doesn't make the data problematic it simply asks the question of if it is still applicable. I don't see how anybody could see what's been going on in the last 20 years and think that if the data has changed it changed for the better! We damn sure haven't become less polarized LOL
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