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re: Bill to prevent those convicted with domestic violence from possessing guns.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 12:30 am to Scoper
Posted on 11/27/23 at 12:30 am to Scoper
I think it needs to remain at felony level. There are some people convicted of some petty-assed domestic violence charges. I don't believe all should be prevented from ever possessing a firearm. That is too encompassing and a step toward forfeiting our rights. Don't give the constrictor a chance to squeeze you more.
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Posted on 11/27/23 at 5:39 am to udtiger
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So we're just ditching innocent until proven guilty?
The U.S. ditched that a long time ago.
Now you're guilty by accusation, as long as the media picks it up and runs with it. You know, If you're a straight, white male you must be guilty of something.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 5:51 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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convicted
Yes.
So they should get their other "rights" back less the 2A. Yet the 2A is the only right that says "shall not be infringed".
If a person is not confined, that person must have every right afforded any other.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 5:55 am to TrueTiger
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I thought there was already an ATF rule that covered this.
ATF is about to get neutered. What the forthcoming SCOTUS decision regarding Chevron does not do, SCOTUS will later face the constitutionality of the ATF itself!!
Posted on 11/27/23 at 5:58 am to TrueTiger
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I thought there was already an ATF rule that covered this.
Turns out that the ATF and other unelected bureaucrats don't get to make "rules". Keep up.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 5:59 am to Scoper
Im sure it’ll work. Maybe if these judges would enforce the laws already on the books…
Posted on 11/27/23 at 6:10 am to BigMob
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It’s a felony for a convicted felon to possess a firearm in every state. That is sufficient.
Why? There are far more non-violent felons in society than there are violent felons. If a person is walking the streets, that person needs every right afforded any other.
Shall Not Be Infringed.
No Right Is More Important Than Any Other!!
Posted on 11/27/23 at 6:30 am to Timeoday
I think you completely misunderstood my point. I’m not against non-violent felons having their rights restored in some circumstances. The point is there is no reason to take away that right from someone convicted of a misdemeanor offense. It opens up Pandora’s box even more on misdemeanor “domestic violence” convictions.
This post was edited on 11/27/23 at 6:37 am
Posted on 11/27/23 at 6:34 am to BigMob
Posted on 11/27/23 at 7:01 am to Scoper
What about those who are falsely accused?
Posted on 11/27/23 at 7:26 am to TrueTiger
quote:I know it's on the form when you purchase a firearm. I don't know if it's a disqualifier.
I thought there was already an ATF rule that covered this.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 7:39 am to Scoper
Let’s conduct a little what-if scenario with this proposed legislation.
A conservative with a large collection of firearms becomes popular enough to run for POTUS, and probably win.
Local law enforcement is given false evidence that he’s been abusing his wife. They show up at his door and arrest him. The next day the FBI shows up at his place with a search warrant. They find a large collection of firearms and charge him with multiple felonies.
A conservative with a large collection of firearms becomes popular enough to run for POTUS, and probably win.
Local law enforcement is given false evidence that he’s been abusing his wife. They show up at his door and arrest him. The next day the FBI shows up at his place with a search warrant. They find a large collection of firearms and charge him with multiple felonies.
This post was edited on 11/27/23 at 7:41 am
Posted on 11/27/23 at 7:47 am to Scoper
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Bill to prevent those convicted with domestic violence from possessing guns.
to be followed by a bill at a later date to redefine "domestic violence" so as to be able to target anyone a corrupt DA wishes to.
In an honest world, bills like the one above and other issues like mental health checks for gun ownership would be deserving. However, government has shown time and again they are not to be trusted with being forthright. Good intentions get hijacked by ideologues and used as a tool to bludgeon any would dissenters.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 8:14 am to udtiger
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So we're just ditching innocent until proven guilty?
Civil asset forfeiture, anyone?
Posted on 11/27/23 at 8:24 am to Scoper
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Curious on the opinions with this?
Laws don’t stop criminals from obtaining firearms. Never have, never will. This can only hurt law abiding citizens- who are not the problem to begin with.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 11:11 am to BigMob
Non violent felons should be able to exercise their 2A rights.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 11:43 am to Dex Morgan
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You so called conservatives disgust me. You're not conservatives at all if you support this. The 2nd Amendment is crystal clear. No interference from the government. If they're not incarcerated then the government has no right to infringe on their Constitutional right to possess firearms.
I agree. I think once a person has served his time, they should be reinstated their rights. If they can’t be trusted then they shouldn’t be released
Posted on 11/27/23 at 11:46 am to Scoper
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Curious on the opinions with this?
We cant even enforce laws on the books, we need no more laws.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 11:59 am to RogerTheShrubber
Hell no to this.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 12:01 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
Charged: no
Convicted: maybe. Devil's in the details
Convicted: maybe. Devil's in the details
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