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re: Bill Kristol: “America First Is Dead: We Are All Globalists Now..”

Posted on 6/22/25 at 3:45 pm to
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
38388 posts
Posted on 6/22/25 at 3:45 pm to
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So first I'd say we would nuke anyone who used WMDs on us.
Secondly I wouldn't wish death on the people, I'd destroy the government.

You wish death on someone you bring your own death on your own head. That's what Iran did, they asked for war.


Actually, we gave Iraq chemical and biological weapons in the 1980s to be used by them against Iran.

So what you are saying is that if you were an Iranian citizen, you would the government Iran to get a nuke and then use it on the US.

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Yea because you live in a knowledge free existence.


You seemed to making reference to WW1. WW1 was of course a bankers war and the first war of it's kind the US got involved in, which was a direct result of the newly made central bank of 1913.

So please tell me in which way you believe free trade didn't prevent ww1.

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Oh so you are one of those people who rant about homophobia...


Are you drunk or something?

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Do you even know what fear is or do you assume everyone is like you, who will not take action when others attack them.


You keep telling me plainly what you fear in your justifications for the actions. You fear this will happen, or that will happen, thus this action must be taken to prevent the thing you fear.

Self defense is a God given right. I'm former military and a strong believer in the 2nd amendment and it does not mean for hunting.

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100 across more than 50 countries...

Chinese police control the Solomon islands.

They took over the pirts in Sri Lanka.


Your numbers are just false, and if you want to count any kind of presence then the US is technically in like 750 bases or some absurd number.

750 Bases in 80 Countries Is Too Many for Any Nation: Time for the US to Bring Its Troops Home


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No I think you are yet another faker who is extremely anti American, who pushes Russia and China and other American competitors at the expense of the USA.


You got me. I've been hiding and talking about college football for over 10 years and 30k posts just so I could one day make a post on a political thread here to manipulate you personally.



You fear a lot of shite don't you?
This post was edited on 6/22/25 at 3:52 pm
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
6240 posts
Posted on 6/22/25 at 5:16 pm to
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Actually, we gave Iraq chemical and biological weapons in the 1980s to be used by them against Iran.

OK that's not true, the CDC and TCC were supporting medical research in Iraq.

Saddam used those samples in bio weapon research.

German companies were the ones who helped them build their chemical capacity for pesticides.

The Soviets helped them start their nuclear program.

So stop lying.

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So what you are saying is that if you were an Iranian citizen, you would the government Iran to get a nuke and then use it on the US.

Nope, what a shitty mindset.

I know plenty of Perisans great people. They all want the Iranian government to fall.

If I was an Iranian citizen I'd be rooting hard for the US to win.

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You seemed to making reference to WW1. WW1 was of course a bankers war and the first war of it's kind the US got involved in, which was a direct result of the newly made central bank of 1913.

You know there's more information than 80 IQ morons with YouTube videos.
Maybe it's to late for you to learn how to research.

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You keep telling me plainly what you fear in your justifications for the actions. You fear this will happen, or that will happen, thus this action must be taken to prevent the thing you fear.

Its not fear, do you think WW2 was about fear?

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Self defense is a God given right. I'm former military and a strong believer in the 2nd amendment and it does not mean for hunting.

OK Chelsea.

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Your numbers are just false, and if you want to count any kind of presence then the US is technically in like 750 bases or some absurd number.


My numbers are facts, China maintains a massive presence around the world.
As do we.

That's how Superpowers act.
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You got me. I've been hiding and talking about college football for over 10 years and 30k posts

So lets get this straight you really do:
Think Iran should want death to America
That it doesn't matter that they killed our soldiers in roadside bombings in other countries
That we should let Iran get nukes
That we should let them nuke Israel
That Israel shouldn't attack Iran (your only insistence on another country)
That we should let China take Taiwan
That we should let Russia take Ukraine
That surveys don't matter and your international only fans hating America is right, proper, and There is nothing wrong with you prostratung yourself in front of them.

Wow...
Are you retarded?
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
38388 posts
Posted on 6/22/25 at 5:21 pm to
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OK that's not true, the CDC and TCC were supporting medical research in Iraq.

Saddam used those samples in bio weapon research.

German companies were the ones who helped them build their chemical capacity for pesticides.

The Soviets helped them start their nuclear program.

So stop lying.



Yeah, he just happened to get what was needed for biological weapons, and he just magically had enough for "research" purposes to turn them into large amounts of chemical weapons, and he just happened to use them.

I'm done with you.
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
6240 posts
Posted on 6/22/25 at 6:14 pm to
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Yeah, he just happened to get what was needed for biological weapons, and he just magically had enough for "research" purposes to turn them into large amounts of chemical weapons, and he just happened to use them.

I'm done with you.


Wow... you really are re...

He turned biological weapons into chemical weapons?

Look if you don't understand anything you probably shouldn't attack your own country out of ignorance...

I think we have clearly established that you have zero idea what you are talking about and are easily brainwashed.

I don't know how to help you...
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
21899 posts
Posted on 6/24/25 at 1:15 pm to
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You are someone who treats politics as a team sport. You're an idiot and part of the problem.

You just admitted that you'd cast a vote for Newsom and pretty much proved which one of us is an idiot.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
38388 posts
Posted on 6/24/25 at 1:18 pm to
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You just admitted that you'd cast a vote for Newsom and pretty much proved which one of us is an idiot.


Neocons are liberals who destroy the republican party over and over.

What the frick do you think the uniparty is?

You're the idiot who thinks because someone puts an R next to their name that's what they actually represent. I'm the one who looks at their actions and what policies they actually support, and that allows me to see - hey, they are the fricking same, they just say different shite to get votes.

This post was edited on 6/24/25 at 1:20 pm
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
21899 posts
Posted on 6/24/25 at 1:53 pm to
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I'm the one who looks at their actions and what policies they actually support, and that allows me to see - hey, they are the fricking same, they just say different shite to get votes.

What Gavin Newsom policies make him the better choice than JD Vance in '28?
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
38388 posts
Posted on 6/24/25 at 1:57 pm to
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What Gavin Newsom policies make him the better choice than JD Vance in '28?


It's 2 uniparty candidates. Neocons are liberals pretending to be republicans.



Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
21899 posts
Posted on 6/24/25 at 2:19 pm to
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It's 2 uniparty candidates. Neocons are liberals pretending to be republicans.

Great meme but in the real world there are substantial differences between a President Gavin Newsom and President JD Vance. Not on everything we'd like or perhaps as big as we'd like, but it really isn't hard to distinguish between the two.

An example is the border - are you seriously going to argue that there'd be no difference between Gavin Newsom's border and JD Vance's? That there is no difference between Trump's border and Biden's?
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
38388 posts
Posted on 6/24/25 at 2:35 pm to
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Great meme but in the real world there are substantial differences between a President Gavin Newsom and President JD Vance. Not on everything we'd like or perhaps as big as we'd like, but it really isn't hard to distinguish between the two.

An example is the border - are you seriously going to argue that there'd be no difference between Gavin Newsom's border and JD Vance's? That there is no difference between Trump's border and Biden's?


The deportation numbers are low so far, let's hope they pick up. I think the biggest gains we've gotten under Trump so far have likely been in the prevention area.

However, USAID and all those NGOs that were paying for them to come over will still be getting funded, and everything else will still continue to get funded.

And over the last week I've seen that he wants to allow illegals to stay if they work in certain places. AKA, he wants to keep the illegals who will pick the crops because..wHO's GOnNa pICk tHE CRoPs. He seems to go back and forth by the day on it. So we'll see.

I'm guessing the oil thing is probably the bigger thing he's done. Making the country oil independent is a big deal. The differences at the pump haven't been very big for me yet, but it's only been 6 months and it's going to take some time for the chain to fill etc.

But what else is there really? The woke virus was ended by the people really, I don't see that coming back.

But lets take a look at the meme, which contains the real issues I care about.

Steal your money - check, taxes have not decreased and all talks of things like ending the IRS are gone. Instead, we got the BBB which increased government spending. Which leads to:

Print Money - check. We can expect a lot more inflation if the BBB, or anything near it passes. Of which Trump is not only trying to push, but is attacking people like Massie for not supporting it.

Wage war - check. What we just saw with Iran was an extension of the status quo. Neocons out in force.

Bail out corporations - check. For example, the illegal immigrants he wants to keep will mostly be big corporations who have hired them.

And of course, if we resist we will get thrown in prison.

I voted for regime change. Make America Great Again, not Make the Status Quo Stronger.

0 Epstein arrests which means the people who raped kids are still in power.

0 departments gone.

0 real DOGE cuts.

We got antisemitism laws that violate the 1st amendment.

All neocons have to offer is - we're the lesser of 2 evils bullshite. No thanks, I'll wait for a real conservative to win.

This post was edited on 6/24/25 at 2:36 pm
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
162973 posts
Posted on 6/24/25 at 2:42 pm to
I would love to see him in prison in the same cell as Comey and Brennan sharing a hole to defecate in.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
21899 posts
Posted on 6/24/25 at 2:55 pm to
I don't disagree with you on pretty much anything you just posted. I vote with the same things in mind and share disappointment where you do. My point in this exchange is this - Trump is coming up short in important ways, but we as conservatives are still far better off with him in office than we'd be if Biden or Harris were our president, and I don't think that's a close call. That's why I argue that the primary is where we fix things, if they can be fixed - and the general is all about keeping Dems from power.
Posted by Drizzt
Cimmeria
Member since Aug 2013
14881 posts
Posted on 6/24/25 at 2:59 pm to
This is a projection of wish fulfillment by Kristol. He knows it’s a lie but he wants it to be true. Unfortunately for him, this isn’t reality. If wishes were horses, beggars would ride.
Posted by loopback
Member since Jul 2011
4990 posts
Posted on 6/24/25 at 3:16 pm to
shut up twat.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
Team Bitter Clinger
Member since May 2020
23674 posts
Posted on 6/24/25 at 6:54 pm to
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Great meme but in the real world there are substantial differences between a President Gavin Newsom and President JD Vance.


Trannies are a case in point: I certainly don’t discount that there are vast differences between the two parties on matters of cultural values. But the meme still stands.

Both parties aren’t opposed in theory to the Deep State; they simply want their side in control. Indeed, Trump’s idea of “draining” the swamp is simply filling it with swamp creatures of his own choosing.

This ultimately is why Trumpism will fail. The Potomac Beltway can no more be “reformed” than a malignant cancer.





This post was edited on 6/24/25 at 6:56 pm
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
6240 posts
Posted on 6/24/25 at 6:58 pm to
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This ultimately is why Trumpism will fail. The Potomac Beltway can no more be “reformed” than a malignant cancer.

What country in 2025 is doing better in spite of our beltway corruption.

Serious question.
Posted by ELVIS U
Member since Feb 2007
11649 posts
Posted on 6/24/25 at 7:14 pm to
Has there ever been anyone so wrong about everything?
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
26950 posts
Posted on 6/24/25 at 7:18 pm to
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I voted for regime change. Make America Great Again, not Make the Status Quo Stronger.


Did you really expect that? It was an easy decision but I saw the first 4 years. I wasn't expecting some big paradigm shift and nobody else should have been either.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
Team Bitter Clinger
Member since May 2020
23674 posts
Posted on 6/24/25 at 7:30 pm to
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What country in 2025 is doing better in spite of our beltway corruption.



That is like asking a person with terminal cancer if they wish they were dying from another terminal disease. The problem here is that any country that has attempted to mint or print its way to prosperity has ended up in the dustbin of history.

By any objective measure, the current trajectory is simply unsustainable. The UniParty® exists to promote the Deep State over every other concern while the Deep State exists to promote our nation’s print-on-demand monetary system over every other concern.

In this wholly corrupted political environment, some degree of populist pushback is the best we can hope for. Yet nothing fundamentally changes until this nation returns to sound monetary policies.

Posted by Toomer Deplorable
Team Bitter Clinger
Member since May 2020
23674 posts
Posted on 6/24/25 at 7:49 pm to
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Has there ever been anyone so wrong about everything?


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