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re: Bill HR 1 will make all states follow Federal guidelines on how they conduct elections
Posted on 1/26/21 at 2:00 am to CorchJay
Posted on 1/26/21 at 2:00 am to CorchJay
The last election was fine. It isn't the federal governments' fault that Trump became a Qtard. His conspiracy minded bullshite and inability to concieve that he would lose an election was predicted by his biographer back in 2016.
States' rights are not a thing except for in the fevered minds of people who are still butthurt that the South lost the Civil War.
States have powers.
People have rights.
The only thing that anyone should need to vote in any election is the following:
- proof of residency
- proof of age
- proof of citizenship
Those are the three constitutional requirements, are they not?
But you need more than that. Even in a state like Texas that does not register you with political parties at the state level, you STILL must register to vote by a certain date. It was only two years ago that Georgia's Secretary of State kicked over 560K people off the voter rolls because they were "infrequent voters."
Not that they didn't vote. Not that they moved. It was because they were "infrequent." They also had an exact match policy, so if you have an ethnic name and the DMV worker wrote La-Quan instead of LaQuan, guess what? You're ineligible. Doesn't matter if you can show up with all your documentation and the placenta you were born from.
So nah, states aren't even remotely good at any of this, and they absolutely DO disallow legal voters the right to vote.
States' rights are not a thing except for in the fevered minds of people who are still butthurt that the South lost the Civil War.
States have powers.
People have rights.
The only thing that anyone should need to vote in any election is the following:
- proof of residency
- proof of age
- proof of citizenship
Those are the three constitutional requirements, are they not?
But you need more than that. Even in a state like Texas that does not register you with political parties at the state level, you STILL must register to vote by a certain date. It was only two years ago that Georgia's Secretary of State kicked over 560K people off the voter rolls because they were "infrequent voters."
Not that they didn't vote. Not that they moved. It was because they were "infrequent." They also had an exact match policy, so if you have an ethnic name and the DMV worker wrote La-Quan instead of LaQuan, guess what? You're ineligible. Doesn't matter if you can show up with all your documentation and the placenta you were born from.
So nah, states aren't even remotely good at any of this, and they absolutely DO disallow legal voters the right to vote.
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Posted on 1/26/21 at 2:02 am to Revelator
So I could just drive over to Georgia, and pick up an absentee ballot to mail in? Mississippi and Tennessee too?
Posted on 1/26/21 at 2:09 am to GregoryD
quote:
he last election was fine.
Wow you are fine with cheating! That is pathetic.
quote:
The only thing that anyone should need to vote in any election is the following:
- proof of residency
- proof of age
- proof of citizenship
oh, so you are not fine with it, just stupid and and have no clue about what the laws are.
You needed none of those in many places.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 2:10 am to auggie
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So I could just drive over to Georgia, and pick up an absentee ballot to mail in? Mississippi and Tennessee too?
No, because you don't qualify to vote in their state. Reading is fundamental, guy.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 2:10 am to GregoryD
quote:
The last election was fine. It isn't the federal governments' fault that Trump became a Qtard.
What does any of this have to do with voter fraud or non legislative officials in swing states changing guidelines in the 12th hour making it easier to cheat?
Posted on 1/26/21 at 2:11 am to GregoryD
quote:
The only thing that anyone should need to vote in any election is the following: - proof of residency - proof of age - proof of citizenship
So, how are you going to prove those things without an ID?
You might say:
Birth certificate
Utility bill
but I can obtain a birth certificate for anyone at the state health department for a few bucks, totally legal.
and I can steal an old utility bill. Those two things don't prove anything.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 2:13 am to auggie
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So I could just drive over to Georgia, and pick up an absentee ballot to mail in? Mississippi and Tennessee too?
If this law passes, there will be no rules. Since no mail in ballot will need a valid signature, any one person could theoretically fill out numerous ballots and mail all of them in.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 2:14 am to GregoryD
quote:
No, because you don't qualify to vote in their state.
How would anybody know that I don't qualify?
Posted on 1/26/21 at 2:19 am to Revelator
quote:Yep, with electronic signatures you won’t even have to leave your recliner to do it.
If this law passes, there will be no rules. Since no mail in ballot will need a valid signature, any one person could theoretically fill out numerous ballots and mail all of them in.
If there’s anything that would stop you from making fraudulent votes in multiple states simultaneously I haven’t seen it in that bill.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 2:23 am to Revelator
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What does any of this have to do with voter fraud or non legislative officials in swing states changing guidelines in the 12th hour making it easier to cheat?
You should really get your conspiracy theories in order if you're going to continue to embarrass yourself with them. Trump was an incredibly unpopular president and he got his arse kicked by "not Trump." Might hurt your brain to realize this, but a lot of people hate him for just being the credulous idiot that he is, and a lot more hate him for tanking the economy and COVID.
Legislatures make laws. They have the right to delegate their power under their own state constitutions. They delegated. Nobody gives a shite about "non legislative officers" because the legislatures literally DELEGATED that authority to them.
This shite isn't rocket science. Every state in the freaking country has operated in this manner from Day 1.
Welcome to Civics. Glad you were able to step off the wingnut carousel long enough to join us for this brief lesson.
Where's all the bitching and moaning about TX and North Carolina, who did the exact same thing that PA and GA did?
A dispassionate observer would probably conclude that you aren't interested in the specifics of voting at all, you're just angry that your guy lost, and so this voter fraud conspiracy theory bullshite is how you allow yourself to ignore that fact.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 2:25 am to GregoryD
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This post was edited on 11/3/23 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 1/26/21 at 2:27 am to GregoryD
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Trump was an incredibly unpopular president
You are too stupid to breathe. He was the most popular president that I have ever seen, in my 60 years on Earth.
The only people that didn't like him, were scared dems, queers, obese women and snowflake arse clowns.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 2:34 am to GregoryD
quote:
The only thing that anyone should need to vote in any election is the following:
- proof of residency
- proof of age
- proof of citizenship
California says
Posted on 1/26/21 at 2:37 am to GregoryD
quote:
Legislatures make laws. They have the right to delegate their power under their own state constitutions. They delegated. Nobody gives a shite about "non legislative officers" because the legislatures literally DELEGATED that authority to them.
I’m sure you’d feel the same way if Republican ran states had made up arbitrary Election Day rules that negated tons of Democrat voters for no other reasons than wanting to gain an unfair advantage.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 3:00 am to GregoryD
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Where's all the bitching and moaning about TX and North Carolina, who did the exact same thing that PA and GA did?
No cheating, no bitching. It's not about the tools you have, it's about how you use them & what you use them for.
Please keep posting.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 3:15 am to Revelator
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And when I say consistent, it’s as I stated previously, the law should be worded to make elections more valid and not less.
And the framers knew if the party in power could shape the election process in any way, it would be to its own benefit. This is what you see in Russia - where opposition parties are crushed.
This is why the framers vested that power with the state legislatures- as they are closest to the people.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 3:19 am to BobBoucher
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This is what you see in Russia - where opposition parties are crushed.
The opposition is presently being crushed right here in the USA
Posted on 1/26/21 at 3:30 am to Revelator
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The opposition is presently being crushed right here in the USA
If the states don’t do a better job of enforcing their election laws, you might as well have an authoritarian federal law.
That’s the disappointing part. The states didn’t act when presented data.
Hopefully they will be prepared in 2 years having seen it.
As for HR1 - it will never pass filibuster.
This post was edited on 1/26/21 at 3:31 am
Posted on 1/26/21 at 4:06 am to Revelator
The gop vs dems is like the LSU spring game
For one day every 2 years they go against each other
For one day every 2 years they go against each other
Posted on 1/26/21 at 6:05 am to GregoryD
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The whole thing about having to show up at a specific location on a specific day is just silly with the type of technology we currently have.
Aka my voting base is lazy and won’t show up so let’s change the rules
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