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re: Big Bang theory wrong? Star older than Universe discovered - threat of ‘scientific crisis’

Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:36 pm to
Posted by genuineLSUtiger
Nashville
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Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:36 pm to
Atheists are actually more anti-religion than anti-God. Many atheists are more than likely “spiritual” meaning that they believe in a creative intelligence which created the Universe and therefore man. And “God” is every culture’s attempt to describe that intelligence.
Posted by mattgr1983
Austin, Tx
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:40 pm to
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Analysis of the star showed that it contained very little iron content, which would suggest that it formed during a period when the iron element was not abundant in the Universe. This in turn led to the discovery the star is 14.5 billion years old, some 0.7 billion years older than the Universe.


This reads like made up nonsense. First of all, how TF could we possibly know the iron content of a star 200 million light years away, and second, how could that lead to the conclusion that it is 14.5 billion years old?
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:43 pm to
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This where religious people usually go with some BS route that God always existed which makes no sense
if the universe is contingent, which it is, then there has to be something necessary. but i'm sure you can tell us how that's some bs that makes no sense from your extensive philosophical expertise
Posted by mattgr1983
Austin, Tx
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:43 pm to
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Atheists are actually more anti-religion than anti-God. Many atheists are more than likely “spiritual” meaning that they believe in a creative intelligence which created the Universe and therefore man. And “God” is every culture’s attempt to describe that intelligence.



This is exactly right, but i think that is more of an agnostic belief. (what I am)
Posted by Muleriderhog
NYC
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Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:44 pm to
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Posted by Muleriderhog
NYC
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Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:45 pm to
We will literally never know when the universe was created.
This post was edited on 8/7/19 at 10:53 pm
Posted by mattgr1983
Austin, Tx
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:45 pm to
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It takes just as much faith to believe in most scientific theories as religion maybe even more.



Sure. So why not just not have a "belief" about the unknowable?
Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:46 pm to
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This is exactly right, but i think that is more of an agnostic belief

This more where I actually fall. While I don't believe any religion is right as I find them to be just early man's way of justifying stuff they didn't understand and later an excuse for empires and churches to enforce insane shite.

The thought of a creator certainly has crossed my mind, but proving he exists is virtually impossible
Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:50 pm to
My point being that if creationists are going to laugh at the idea of "something from nothing" but then give that example for a God it's pretty laughable
Posted by Muleriderhog
NYC
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:52 pm to
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something cannot come from nothing 

so, while GOD could have made it happen, I feel the big bang is BS. 

why? study law of conservation of angular momentum along with some laws of thermodynamics

And you're a dumbass who doesn't even understand the basics of either of the things you mention... the big bang 100% happened, now if a God created the big bang is up for question but dont act like you know what the frick you are talking about because you obviously dont.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170703 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:56 pm to
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It takes just as much faith to believe in most scientific theories as religion maybe even more.



This is a commonly uttered and very stupid phrase
Posted by sparkinator
Lake Claiborne
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 8/7/19 at 11:03 pm to
Scientists/astronomers are having to reevaluate a lot of their beliefs. Supermassive black holes in the center of each universe that they can’t explain how they formed. According to black hole theories, the universe is t old enough for them to form and be as big as they are. The universe hasn’t been around long enough for them to be as massive as they are.

Now this star is possibly older than the universe. Plus add on the time it took to form. That’s a conundrum. And what’s the chances there aren’t older stars than this out there? No way with all the trillions of stars in the universe that we found the oldest one.

Good time to be alive. Scientists will come up with some interesting new theories. But they won’t give up.

Good times indeed.

I’m reminded of a saying from years ago. Scientists will keep digging and learning and as they find ultimate truth and climb over the last hurdle, they will see theologians sitting there waiting on them. Or something to that effect.
Posted by Muleriderhog
NYC
Member since Jan 2015
3116 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 11:07 pm to
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It takes just as much faith to believe in most scientific theories as religion maybe even more.




Dear God no... dude there is literally no proof of a God, despite what a fictional story book written 2000 years ago says that has been through an unknown amount of translations, let alone the crusades when it could have been/probably was completely rewritten.
Scientific theories are all backed by facts, the big bang 10000% happened and you're a idiot if you dont agree with that. Also this story literally disproves no theories, just that we were off on the possible creation of the universe.
Posted by Randman
Mississippi
Member since Feb 2018
354 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 11:08 pm to
NO one, no scientist or anyone else for that matter, really truly knows WTF happened before about 5,000 years ago. It’s ALL theories based on very, very limited information.
Posted by Muleriderhog
NYC
Member since Jan 2015
3116 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 11:11 pm to
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NO one, no scientist or anyone else for that matter, really truly knows WTF happened before about 5,000 years ago. It’s ALL theories based on very, very limited information.

This is factually incorrect, we know pretty much what has happened since the creation of earth through carbon dating.
Posted by Mootsman
Charlotte, NC
Member since Oct 2012
6222 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 11:11 pm to
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They’re some of the smartest people on earth, they could probably do a lot better working in an industry, but most of them just really enjoy their research.


They're not after money. They're just part of a massive smug circle jerk where they hand each other awards for their "research" and get off on it. It's worth more than money to them and it's incredibly strange.

ETA: Kind of like the dude in the movie The Mule.
This post was edited on 8/7/19 at 11:12 pm
Posted by sparkinator
Lake Claiborne
Member since Dec 2007
4976 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 11:12 pm to
God will never be proved or disproved by science. That’s not how it works. It’s still based on faith. I’ve got no problem with science and scientific theory. You’d have to be ignorant to have a problem with scientists trying to figure out how the world around us works. And to crow about theories that are called in to question is pretty immature. Developing theories is just how science works.
This post was edited on 8/7/19 at 11:15 pm
Posted by Randman
Mississippi
Member since Feb 2018
354 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 11:46 pm to
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This is factually incorrect, we know pretty much what has happened since the creation of earth through carbon dating.


Until some future scientist discovers new information that reveals flaws in carbon dating. There’s always going to be WAY more information that we don’t know vs. what we do know. Yet we are absolutely certain we can predict what happened in the past based on the extremely limited information we currently have.
Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
18881 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 11:54 pm to
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If they say time doesn't exist, yeah.


What you are thinking of as time is simply a perception of the nervous system formed into a social construct for measuring various relationships. We associate 12 noon with the sun being at its highest point in the sky. The sun doesn’t make sure that it is there at 12, and the Earth doesn’t decide to rotate to the correct position at that time.

Our basis for time is formed upon observed patterns of daylight and the angle of the Sun in the sky as the Earth orbits the Sun.

We then use this same measurement, subdivide it, and apply it to something like the rate of a biological function. That function isn’t on a timer. We are in fact looking at the rate of energy transfer to achieve that function and defining it based our perception of time.

When you start thinking about physics and time, activation energy can be changed by a catalyst. Pressure, heat, friction, and other variables alter the rate at which materials change based on how energy is transferred. This is why basic physics is taught under “standard conditions” to eliminate variables. Unfortunately, we don’t fully understand how to apply variables like “dark energy.” Therefore it is difficult to accurately account for “time” throughout the known Universe.
Posted by K9Buck
central Florida
Member since Jul 2019
66 posts
Posted on 8/8/19 at 12:03 am to
Do you agree that something or someone has always existed and didn't need to be "created"? It's rather simple logic.
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