re: Bari Weiss gave great speech on how Oct. 7 matters to America

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All I have to do is watch the news. Somali was going to attack Mall of America for being owned by Jews. Muzzie tries to shoot up a Jewish day care center in Michigan. Muzzie burns a Holocaust survivor to death up north. Muzzies in England kill Jews and attack synagogues on a regular basis. Iranian muzzle terrorists killed how many Jews in Argentina?

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Of course, there's some bigotry in any group. Certainly there ARE many Muslims who hate Jews. There are many Christians who hate Jews. Some people post hateful things about Jews on PoliBoard (of course, we don't know their religions).

I am just saying that it's clearly NOT true that all Muslims inherently hate Jews and will kill them (and us) if they get the chance.

But as with most of the cases you cited above, as twisted as they were, they might have been more motivated by hatred of the modern state of Israel rather than Jews generally. For instance, I think the day center guy had family members killed by the IDF in Lebanon. Sure it's irrational to lash out at Jews who had nothing to do with it...but it's hard to say that he harbored some religious resentment of Jews PRIOR to that.

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And now we’ve done a 180 on the Muslims and Israel but nobody notices because podcasters told ignorant people on the right they should think this way.

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most of us think both should frick off

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most of us think both should frick off

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Too bad most people don’t want to live in reality

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a big swath of the right was tearing its hair out at the constant drumbeat of putting Israeli/Jewish interests alongside American ones like they're the same thing.

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The camels back is broken

Why should Americans pay for Israel’s defense when we can’t defend our own cities because police departments are broke and this is just one example

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The camels back is broken

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I think we can do it all here, acknowledge this reality and admit that Israel/Jews are probably serving in a familiar scapegoat role.

I think Israel is just an easy target (not saying undeserved) because it's certainly en vogue to hate them on the left and it's less necessary to show fealty on the right. But really, it stands for the broader proposition that our leaders are not asking us - they're just spending our money for marginal benefit all over the place while Americans have major questions about the direction of the country. Israel has an outsized and very particular role here but I think it tracks onto a lot of things. For example, the debate over Texas immigration (from India), where the establishment position has become "well we're the people of merit" and Americans are going "why the hell is my son competing with the elites of the world for a job in Texas."

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The anti-neocon grumbling on the right has been a thing for a long time.

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This, other than maybe closing the border, was Trump's calling card. Humiliating the Bushes and saying things in the open about the Iraq debacle that most politicians wouldn't say. That's why attacking Iran is so confounding. In hindsight, we should have seen what was coming, the way he got so close to Adelson and Lindsey. I've heard Scott Horton on a few pods document well when Trump used to be blunt about Israel and then took heat at one point and reversed course. I truly believe he backed off of the MOU after criticism from neocons and the Israel lobby.

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Muslims hatred of Jews as Jews I think is vastly overstated.

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Respectfully, this is retarded.

There were a million or so Arabic jews living across the Muslim majority nations in 1945. There are now functionally 0 living in Muslim majority nations. There was an absolute genocide of Yemeni Jews, Moroccan Jews, Egyptian Jews, Iraqi Jews, Syrian Jews after WWII with those countries seizing property and evicting these people.

Israel is not recognized in Saudi, UAE, Kuwait so world history textbooks used in English and American schools in those countries blacked out mentions of Israel and fully removed pages discussing the post ww2 wars (at least this was the case 15 years ago).

Read the opinion section of the Gulf News from time to time. There is nothing overstated about the modern Muslim worlds hatred of Jews and Israel.

Completely unrelated but the good Texas public schools feel a lot less appealing

4k kids. Hundreds of immigrant strivers to complete with academically and you have to be a legit athlete to play football, baseball, basketball at the varsity level. Competition is good, but that’s what college is for

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Muslim flooding to the west, they’ve captured multiple states in the U.S. and they rule England. Democrat supported.

Military action against the #1 state sponsor of terrorism (Muslim aggression really) and cause of the destruction which facilitates the aforementioned spread. The military action against Iran and its proxies is opposed by democrats, the Muslim migration is supported totally by democrats

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You accuse me of spewing taking points, but you can't identify even one. THEN you spew almost nothing but talking points.

I certainly agree with you that Muslims have flooded Europe. That's a SERIOUS problem. They certainly don't RULE England or any other of the three other countries in the United Kingdom.

Capturing MULTIPLE states??? I'm not sure what you mean by that, but Sharia law doesn't apply to any non-Muslims anywhere in the US. Muslims do seem to have disproportionate power in Minnesota, but there are ZERO Muslim governors. For comparison, over 12% (6 total) of states have Jewish governors.

Other than Minnesota what other state do you think has been "captured" by Muslims and why?

As for military action against Iran, what difference has Democrat opposition to Trump's attack on Iran made? Also, Trump's war hasn't caused any Muslim migration. Are you aware of any influx of Iranian refugees. ANYWHERE since Trump.started the war?

I don't see any argument from any Americans (me, Democrats, Republicans) that Iran is NOT the leading state sponsor of terrorism. I'm not aware of any current US operations against any Iranian proxies.

Personally, I have approved of the war so far. The economic strangulation seems to be working. I hope it continues.

As for Democrats supporting Islamic migration to the US, that is probably true. As long as there is a Republican president, however, and at least 1/3d of the Senate is Republican (so the President's veto can't be overriden), the current, excellent immigration situation will be maintained.

If you're point is "don't vote for Democrats," I totally agree.

If you're point is still "the interests of the US and Israel are the same," I would need convincing. That MIGHT be true, but I don't see it. I still think lasting peace won't be found until an equitable agreement can be worked out for the Palestinians or they are killed/captured/sent to other countries.