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re: Banning vaccine passports - how is this a conservative / small government stance?
Posted on 6/8/21 at 11:10 am to LSUFanHouston
Posted on 6/8/21 at 11:10 am to LSUFanHouston
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For over a year, we've been yelling that businesses should be allowed to make their own decisions.
And yet government dictated whether or not they could...
Fascism all the way.
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Posted on 6/8/21 at 11:17 am to LSUFanHouston
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So then we should force a bakery to bake a cake for a tranny, right?
Why should the private corporation have the power to decide to not do so?
Nowhere near the same. Vaccine mandates require you to take a medical procedure. There is inherent risk in that Refusing to bake a cake harms nobody.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 11:19 am to LSUFanHouston
Are you really this stupid??? Seriously?
Are you saying that private business should be allowed to operate unfettered? Really? Nike would love to hire 6 year olds. Sugar cane farmers would live to pollute the swamp. Need more examples?
Again, people are too ignorant for an actual discussion on this.
Are you saying that private business should be allowed to operate unfettered? Really? Nike would love to hire 6 year olds. Sugar cane farmers would live to pollute the swamp. Need more examples?
Again, people are too ignorant for an actual discussion on this.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 11:22 am to LSUFanHouston
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a business wants to require all of their customers to be vaccinated, they should have that right.
You gonna be good with them banning people with darker skin next?
Posted on 6/8/21 at 11:23 am to Landmass
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Vaccine mandates require you to take a medical procedure.
Where is the government forcing people to take a medical procedures?
Posted on 6/8/21 at 11:32 am to Landmass
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Nowhere near the same. Vaccine mandates require you to take a medical procedure. There is inherent risk in that Refusing to bake a cake harms nobody.
If you don’t want to take the medical procedure don’t use the service of the company. I don’t see why that’s difficult? Unless you somehow have a right to their services?
Posted on 6/8/21 at 11:34 am to Landmass
I made this point yesterday and the ignoramus went radio silent.
Medical records are protected under the 4th amendment. An individual would have to waive their rights to do business with, or be employed by a company who requires vaccine passports. Nothing overtly illegal about that, but as we've seen with HIV/AIDS for example, the company's desire to "protect its employees from communicable diseases" can be deemed discriminatory under the ADA.
In this case the business really doesn't have an obvious constitutional protection to point to, but the employee or customer can certainly point to the 4th amendment. It would take a lawsuit at some level to iron this out, but the company likely loses.
In the bakery case, the company had the clear constitutional protection (First Amendment) where the gay patrons were left with a less robust argument.
Medical records are protected under the 4th amendment. An individual would have to waive their rights to do business with, or be employed by a company who requires vaccine passports. Nothing overtly illegal about that, but as we've seen with HIV/AIDS for example, the company's desire to "protect its employees from communicable diseases" can be deemed discriminatory under the ADA.
In this case the business really doesn't have an obvious constitutional protection to point to, but the employee or customer can certainly point to the 4th amendment. It would take a lawsuit at some level to iron this out, but the company likely loses.
In the bakery case, the company had the clear constitutional protection (First Amendment) where the gay patrons were left with a less robust argument.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 11:38 am to dafif
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Are you really this stupid??? Seriously?
Are you saying that private business should be allowed to operate unfettered? Really? Nike would love to hire 6 year olds. Sugar cane farmers would live to pollute the swamp. Need more examples?
Again, people are too ignorant for an actual discussion on this.
Exactly. We need more government regulations on things and the free market is largely a farce, otherwise capitalism goes awry. It’s the role of the government to step in and regulate things to protect us.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 11:41 am to LSUFanHouston
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However, there are many "conservatives" that want government to regulate marriage to between one man and one woman.
Conservatives didn’t ask government to start regulating marriage in the first place. Government just decided they were going to get involved and charge a fee for the license.
Marriage is the religious institution of one man and one woman. ‘Marriage’, as now defined by the state is whatever they deem it to be. Conservatives were not opposed to contractual agreements between people of the same sex, only the the redefining of those contracts as marriage.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 11:42 am to LSUFanHouston
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Where is the government forcing people to take a medical procedures?
You're completely ignorant on this conversation. Maybe you can click back through the post order.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 11:45 am to thebigmuffaletta
Correct. Government has no right or role in marriage.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 11:45 am to dafif
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Are you really this stupid??? Seriously?
You’ve read the thread.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 11:49 am to thebigmuffaletta
The OP keeps trying to paint conservatives as hypocrites with all of these whataboutisms that he, as a liberal, must exercise hypocrisy to make.
For example, he cant simultaneously support vaccine passports and gays' rights to Christian wedding cakes if he believes the two issues to be the same in terms of rights. Yet he makes that exact argument, and then uses his own hypocrisy to call conservatives hypocrites. Circular logic.
For example, he cant simultaneously support vaccine passports and gays' rights to Christian wedding cakes if he believes the two issues to be the same in terms of rights. Yet he makes that exact argument, and then uses his own hypocrisy to call conservatives hypocrites. Circular logic.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 11:51 am to Vacherie Saint
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I made this point yesterday and the ignoramus went radio silent.
Medical records are protected under the 4th amendment. An individual would have to waive their rights to do business with, or be employed by a company who requires vaccine passports. Nothing overtly illegal about that, but as we've seen with HIV/AIDS for example, the company's desire to "protect its employees from communicable diseases" can be deemed discriminatory under the ADA.
In this case the business really doesn't have an obvious constitutional protection to point to, but the employee or customer can certainly point to the 4th amendment. It would take a lawsuit at some level to iron this out, but the company likely loses.
You have no "right" to do business with a particular company.
Why is that so hard to understand?
No one is forcing you, under threat of coercion, to reveal your medical records.
No private is business can search or seize your medical records, unless you waive that right. You are in no way forced to waive that right.
Look... we have a lot of examples where we have government policies and regulations that do not pass strict constitutional muster. That doesn't mean we should add more.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 11:54 am to dafif
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Are you really this stupid??? Seriously?
Clearly he is. It's day 2 and he's still dug in. It would actually be kind of impressive but it's easy to see he just wants to keep his stupid arse thread going.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 11:55 am to Vacherie Saint
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The OP keeps trying to paint conservatives as hypocrites with all of these whataboutisms that he, as a liberal, must exercise hypocrisy to make.
What world do we live in where a "liberal" wants smaller government???
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gays' rights to Christian wedding cakes
Point to me where I have supported that. I have been steadfast in saying that no one was the right to force a baker to bake a cake.
You are just making stuff up at this point.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 11:55 am to Chet Donnely
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It would actually be kind of impressive but it's easy to see he just wants to keep his stupid arse thread going.
LOL. I let it go but others brought it back up this morning.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 12:02 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Look... we have a lot of examples where we have government policies and regulations that do not pass strict constitutional muster. That doesn't mean we should add more.
It sure AF doesn't mean we shouldn't either.
That might be the worst reason I've ever heard for governments to not do their jobs.
Either a state will ban passports and get sued, or an individual will sue a company for requiring them. Government or no government, guess how this story ends?
Posted on 6/8/21 at 12:03 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:You mean like declaring that constitutional rights can only be violated by government? I stole that one from you.
You are just making stuff up at this point.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 12:13 pm to LSUFanHouston
Please feel free to boycott Florida if this law rustles you.
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