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re: Baghdad airport being attacked by rockets. Phalanx doing work
Posted on 1/22/21 at 11:10 pm to jimmy the leg
Posted on 1/22/21 at 11:10 pm to jimmy the leg
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I would love to know if those rounds explode dynamically depending on the threat range or if they are static.
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I don’t know the answer to that, but that’s a good question.
They're just regular bullets or some other type of kinetic projectile. I'm not positive if they're standard ammo or some sort of saboted penetrator. I'm pretty sure that there are no timers, fuses, explosive, etc., though. It's just lots and lots of some kind of dense metal moving at several thousand feet per second radar guided onto target. The targeting system picks up the rocket, determines its position in space relative to the gun, and calculates its probable future path based on its velocity and current heading. It knows the average velocity of the bullets it is about to pour onto its target and atmospheric conditions and uses that to calculate time of flight and probable trajectory of the bullets. Then it calculates the direction it should shoot the bullet so the bullet and the rocket arrive at the same point in space at the same time. Then it fires an ungodly number of bullets at the target.
I'm pretty sure that its radar also tracks individual outgoing bullets and uses that information to continuously refine its firing solution until the radar returns determine that the rocket has been destroyed. Think of how a machine gunner uses tracers to see if he's firing at his desired target and can adjust his fire onto the target if he isn't shooting where he wants to. Same thing, but with radar and a Gatling cannon.
This post was edited on 1/22/21 at 11:28 pm
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Posted on 1/22/21 at 11:11 pm to crazy4lsu
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Arguably, the US is in a worse geopolitical position than it was in 2016.
Sure it is. Because now we have another President that will pay them off or send troops instead of dropping a MOAB on their asses.
ETA:
The teacher has left the classroom and left Sally in charge to take names.
This post was edited on 1/22/21 at 11:13 pm
Posted on 1/22/21 at 11:13 pm to omegaman66
What so far about Biden and the Dems hasn’t been 100% predictable?
Posted on 1/22/21 at 11:17 pm to flyAU
It's because the world knows Biden is old and weak. The predators always go for the old and weak first.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 11:24 pm to TigerstuckinMS
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TigerstuckinMS
Those were explosive “flak” type rounds. Those were not just lead. Unless every one of those rounds found a rocket. Rewatch it.
This post was edited on 1/22/21 at 11:25 pm
Posted on 1/22/21 at 11:31 pm to flyAU
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Those were explosive “flak” type rounds. Those were not just lead. Unless every one of those rounds found a rocket. Rewatch it.
You are correct. I had to look it up because I know the Navy's version just uses kinetic rounds, but the land-based version of the CIWS apparently does use an explosive round. That's also a light armor penetrator. That's also a tracer. That's also an incendiary round. That also has a self destruct feature so the rounds don't fall on things downrange.
This post was edited on 1/22/21 at 11:50 pm
Posted on 1/22/21 at 11:33 pm to flyAU
If conservatives had never voted for the war, this wouldn't be an issue, right?
Posted on 1/22/21 at 11:35 pm to MrLarson
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Sure it is. Because now we have another President that will pay them off or send troops instead of dropping a MOAB on their asses.
If only things were that simple. Killing Soleimani was a symbolic victory, but did it actually lessen Iran's ability to impose upon its neighbors, or to organize among its many militias? This isn't Desert Storm, and you won't win solely through controlling the air, because there is an easy organizing apparatus among Shia militias.
What the US, Israel, and the KSA have never accepted is that Iran was the major winner of the Syrian Civil War. That dynamic played into why the US supported MBS as he attempted to be the 'wildcard' in the ME, where now he has a quagmire in Yemen, gave up his Qatar beef without actually extracting anything from Qatar, and then suffering a refinery attack for which the US wouldn't even directly respond. That dynamic also plays into why Israel bombs Damascus every few days, and justifies Israeli concerns about strategic depth, especially from the Golan.
Trump, in my view, was misled by Kushner and Netanyahu about the willingness of Iran to negotiate if he pulled out of the JCPOA. The shrewd move would have been to threaten sanctions unless the Iranians agreed to missile and even drone limitations. Instead, you had the sanctions regime return, and the Iranians have plenty of experience working within sanctions limitations. Then you had the Iranians show how far they were willing to go to gain leverage, attacking tankers, and generally threatening the Strait of Hormuz. None of this would have been solved by a MOAB.
It is clear what the Israelis and the KSA want, and Trump was certainly going to give it to them, if the Iranians responded in a direct way. Instead, they responded according to their military doctrine, and showed the KSA in particular that it would take more than a refinery attack for the US to protect them.
This post was edited on 1/22/21 at 11:38 pm
Posted on 1/22/21 at 11:36 pm to flyAU
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Baghdad airport being attacked by rockets. Phalanx doing work
Cue up another slideshow by POS Colin Powell.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 11:43 pm to TigerstuckinMS
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TigerstuckinMS
I would love to know the tech behind the rounds. In WW2 they could change the fuse times of the flak rounds altitude wise. You know these have to be much more advanced.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 11:45 pm to redeye
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If conservatives had never voted for the war, this wouldn't be an issue, right?
awful lot of liberals on that voter roll. including the president
Posted on 1/22/21 at 11:47 pm to redeye
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If conservatives had never voted for the war, this wouldn't be an issue, right?
You know Biden is a weak POS.
Admit it.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 11:51 pm to flyAU
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I would love to know the tech behind the rounds. In WW2 they could change the fuse times of the flak rounds altitude wise. You know these have to be much more advanced.
Interesting you say that. I went down the munitions rabbit hole and found this cross section in General Dynamics' advertising.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 11:54 pm to omegaman66
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Biden in office and immediately war breaks out.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 11:55 pm to WinnPtiger
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awful lot of liberals on that voter roll. including the president
But not many conservatives who were not.
Am I right?
Posted on 1/23/21 at 12:15 am to flyAU
Is it just me or did the guy filming say something about joe biden
Posted on 1/23/21 at 12:26 am to flyAU
I have been humming Thin Lizzy’s “Boys are Back in Town” all week.
This post was edited on 1/23/21 at 12:27 am
Posted on 1/23/21 at 12:35 am to SwampBandit
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Is it just me or did the guy filming say something about joe biden
Someone in the comments said the same thing.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 3:25 am to TigerstuckinMS
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Interesting you say that. I went down the munitions rabbit hole and found this cross section in General Dynamics' advertising.
Glad you jumped in here. Very interesting. Curious of the chain of events once that round is fired.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 5:26 am to flyAU
Saves lives at the airport but kills an entire village 10 miles away when all that lead rains down. What goes up, must come down.
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