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Baby Bonds could replace Social Security at a fraction of the cost
Posted on 12/9/25 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 12/9/25 at 1:19 pm
I’ve always felt that the only way to curb government spending is to completely overhaul Social Security (healthcare too but that’s another conversation). Inspired by the Trump baby bond idea, I used Grok to run some numbers.
First assumption - the average monthly Social Security payment is ~$2,000. If I want to cover 25 years of Social Security (ages 65-90), I would need ~$750k at the age of 65, assuming a 4% rate of return. I think this is a pretty safe estimate considering most people don’t make it 90. But even if they do, most people have supplemental retirement income (401ks) and family members to help take care past the age of 90. So in other words, the government needs to get $750k in your hands at the age of 65 to equal the benefits of Social Security.
If we take a conservative rate of return of 4%, you would need $60,000 at birth to have $750,000 65 years later. There are roughly 3.6 million births in the US per year. $60,000 times 3.6 million equals $216 billion per year.
In contrast, the government pays $1.5 trillion per year in Social Security. A baby bond program would be 15% of the cost while matching the benefits. Now obviously there would be a transition period where we’d be paying both programs. But a temporary addition of $216 billion to our budget isn’t going to put us under. In fact, it might be the only way for us to solve our spending problem.
Why aren’t more conservatives touting baby bonds as a replacement to Social Security? How can Rand Paul seriously suggest raising the SS age as a solution instead of this? It’s time we bring this idea to the mainstream.
First assumption - the average monthly Social Security payment is ~$2,000. If I want to cover 25 years of Social Security (ages 65-90), I would need ~$750k at the age of 65, assuming a 4% rate of return. I think this is a pretty safe estimate considering most people don’t make it 90. But even if they do, most people have supplemental retirement income (401ks) and family members to help take care past the age of 90. So in other words, the government needs to get $750k in your hands at the age of 65 to equal the benefits of Social Security.
If we take a conservative rate of return of 4%, you would need $60,000 at birth to have $750,000 65 years later. There are roughly 3.6 million births in the US per year. $60,000 times 3.6 million equals $216 billion per year.
In contrast, the government pays $1.5 trillion per year in Social Security. A baby bond program would be 15% of the cost while matching the benefits. Now obviously there would be a transition period where we’d be paying both programs. But a temporary addition of $216 billion to our budget isn’t going to put us under. In fact, it might be the only way for us to solve our spending problem.
Why aren’t more conservatives touting baby bonds as a replacement to Social Security? How can Rand Paul seriously suggest raising the SS age as a solution instead of this? It’s time we bring this idea to the mainstream.
This post was edited on 12/9/25 at 9:04 pm
Posted on 12/9/25 at 1:30 pm to geauxEdO
Sounds wonderful, but the federal government would eventually figure out or pass laws that allow them to get their greasy hands on that money.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 1:46 pm to geauxEdO
I read that as Barry Bonds and was kind of interested.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 1:50 pm to lake chuck fan
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Sounds wonderful, but the federal government would eventually figure out or pass laws that allow them to get their greasy hands on that money.
Also, most people would spend the whole amount as soon as they could touch it.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 1:51 pm to lake chuck fan
People would figure a way to sell off and still be government dependent. Where there’s a will, there’s a way.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 1:59 pm to lake chuck fan
Come on man. Where exactly are they supposed to get the cash to pay out for the people who are getting social security? A ponzi scheme doesn't work if you cut off the source of cash coming in from "new investors"
Posted on 12/9/25 at 2:00 pm to lake chuck fan
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Sounds wonderful, but the federal government would eventually figure out or pass laws that allow them to get their greasy hands on that money.
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Posted on 12/9/25 at 2:02 pm to LegendInMyMind
quote:Same
I read that as Barry Bonds and was kind of interested.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 2:04 pm to geauxEdO
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This post was edited on 12/9/25 at 8:50 pm
Posted on 12/9/25 at 2:06 pm to geauxEdO
That's socialism. It does not work. The answer is never more socialism.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 2:07 pm to lake chuck fan
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Sounds wonderful, but the federal government would eventually figure out or pass laws that allow them to get their greasy hands on that money.
Oh come on, this is such a lazy take. I guess we shouldn’t try to fix anything then.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 2:09 pm to geauxEdO
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If we take a conservative rate of return of 4%, you would need $60,000 at birth to have $750,000 65 years later. There are roughly 3.6 million births in the US per year. $60,000 times 3.6 million equals $216 billion per year.
Why you tryna bring solid logic to FedGov bro?
Posted on 12/9/25 at 2:09 pm to geauxEdO
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Oh come on, this is such a lazy take. I guess we shouldn’t try to fix anything then.
The fix is less gment, less handouts. Not more of the same
Posted on 12/9/25 at 2:11 pm to TigerIron
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Also, most people would spend the whole amount as soon as they could touch it.
Make it so the money can’t be touched until 65. Put a payment plan in place once the account goes live. Or if people want to spend it all, be my guest. Not the government’s fault if you go broke.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 2:22 pm to Schleynole
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The fix is less gment, less handouts. Not more of the same
Well clearly you didn’t comprehend my post then. Baby bonds is way less government.
If you think we shouldn’t provide any retirement income at all, good luck with that. I just offered a solution that drastically cuts government spending while still protecting benefits and all the “conservatives” on this board scoff at it.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 2:24 pm to geauxEdO
Plus, the individual owns the asset.
Perish the thought
Perish the thought
Posted on 12/9/25 at 2:37 pm to geauxEdO
End em all. No more taxpayer funded retirement slush funds for our thieves in Washington.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 2:59 pm to geauxEdO
If it could be worked out I'd support it.
One thing I commonly see people forget about when discussing social security is disability etc. A portion of the costs of social security are the disabled etc.
It's one of the reasons that people think social security is such a bad return on investment. It's not great of course, but a portion of the money you put in also covers disability insurance.
One thing I commonly see people forget about when discussing social security is disability etc. A portion of the costs of social security are the disabled etc.
It's one of the reasons that people think social security is such a bad return on investment. It's not great of course, but a portion of the money you put in also covers disability insurance.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 3:00 pm to geauxEdO
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If we take a conservative rate of return of 4%, you would need $60,000 at birth to have $750,000 65 years later. There are roughly 3.6 million births in the US per year. $60,000 times 3.6 million equals $216 billion per year.
750,000 in 60 years is different than 750,000 now..
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1. The Impact of Inflation (No Investment) If the $750,000 is simply held as cash, its purchasing power will be severely eroded by inflation. Using a historical average annual inflation rate of approximately 3% to 4%, its future purchasing power in 60 years would be significantly less. At a 3% average inflation rate, $750,000 would have the purchasing power of approximately $124,000 in today's money. At a 4% average inflation rate, $750,000 would have the purchasing power of approximately $69,000 in today's money.
I suggest you just bear with it because it will benefit you in the future.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 3:08 pm to geauxEdO
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The fix is less gment, less handouts. Not more of the same
Well clearly you didn’t comprehend my post then. Baby bonds is way less government.
What needs to happen is these accounts need to be funded by donations.
Kids can grow up havings a Michael Dell baby bond. Or a Warren Buffett baby bond. Or an Elon Musk baby bond. etc etc.
These billionaires want their names to be remembered forever. Well this would be a good way to do it.
Our government should not be funding baby bonds. It is broke.
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