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re: AZ Senator Wendy Rogers says, "Enough Data To Decertify". Trump to visit Arizona!
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:44 pm to Cajun Tiger 4
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:44 pm to Cajun Tiger 4
This is the king of nothing burgers
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Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:46 pm to Indefatigable
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Anyone who is wishing for or expecting the election to be undone are begging for disappointment. It is not going to happen.
Then our system has failed us and no election will ever be trusted again
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:46 pm to boosiebadazz
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California and New York don’t like what a Democratic president is proposing two years after they were elected? Threaten to decertify and have him removed form office.
Florida and Texas don’t like what a GOP President proposes? We’ll decertify whenever we want and you’ll be below the EV threshold.
You can certainly see how coalitions of states and their legislatures could get together and exert influence over the federal executive branch.
Of course that’s ridiculous and has no basis in the constitution, but that won’t stop Vox and company from parroting this decertification nonsense anyway
Not much different than the made up charges against Trump that lead to impeachment.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:47 pm to dgnx6
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I see what you are saying here but we are talking about Joe not winning Arizona, not because someone doesn't like him.
I find it odd the shite some of you say to basically make your point that, I don't care there was fraud.
No his point is that it would open the door to exactly that in the future. Retroactive decertification is a nonsense premise, and it would lead to exactly what boosie describes inside a decade.
This post was edited on 7/22/21 at 5:00 pm
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:49 pm to dgnx6
It’s bot that I don’t care that there was fraud or not. I’m more concerned with maintaining the legal framework and the rule of law.
If there was fraud, go prove it and use it as grounds for impeachment. Show your incontrovertible proof and make folks go on record as condoning it or not.
Making up backdoor decertification schemes on the fly with no legal or constitutional justification for them is not the way to go about this. I’m always one to play devil’s advocate of what would it look like if your mortal enemy hs the power you’re proposing. Same thing with Teump declaring a national emergency for the border wall funding. Imagine hypothetical president AOC doing that for climate change. Would you be ok with that unilateral power being in one person’s hand?
Same thing here. The legal process matters and needs to be followed.
If there was fraud, go prove it and use it as grounds for impeachment. Show your incontrovertible proof and make folks go on record as condoning it or not.
Making up backdoor decertification schemes on the fly with no legal or constitutional justification for them is not the way to go about this. I’m always one to play devil’s advocate of what would it look like if your mortal enemy hs the power you’re proposing. Same thing with Teump declaring a national emergency for the border wall funding. Imagine hypothetical president AOC doing that for climate change. Would you be ok with that unilateral power being in one person’s hand?
Same thing here. The legal process matters and needs to be followed.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:50 pm to wickowick
By introducing articles of impeachment in the manner proscribed by the Constitution?
Impeachment failed on its merits, but the process was not unconstitutional.
Impeachment failed on its merits, but the process was not unconstitutional.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 5:06 pm to boosiebadazz
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This decertification idea would be interesting as a backdoor state check of presidential power.
California and New York don’t like what a Democratic president is proposing two years after they were elected? Threaten to decertify and have him removed form office.
Florida and Texas don’t like what a GOP President proposes? We’ll decertify whenever we want and you’ll be below the EV threshold.
You can certainly see how coalitions of states and their legislatures could get together and exert influence over the federal executive branch.
A similar effect is one of the primary flaws in the Westminster and other parliamentary systems. Just take a look at how many elections Israel has had since 2015. Even the UK has had three in 5 years. That’s what happens when the rug can be pulled out from under the government on a whim. It leads to instability and lack of coherent policy.
We specifically chose not to do that.
This post was edited on 7/22/21 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 7/22/21 at 5:08 pm to thermal9221
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She’s a loon
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She’s a loon
You want to try and fail for a third time?
Posted on 7/22/21 at 5:37 pm to Indefatigable
That stalwart example of courage M. Pence insists that he's not the reason for this insulting train wreck.
Only thing remaining is to have blind faith in Lindsey and other meek Repub noise makers that they will indeed "make sure this never happens again."
Only thing remaining is to have blind faith in Lindsey and other meek Repub noise makers that they will indeed "make sure this never happens again."
Posted on 7/22/21 at 5:42 pm to elposter
Are you familiar with EO 13848 from 2018?
Posted on 7/22/21 at 5:53 pm to jackamo3300
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That stalwart example of courage M. Pence insists that he's not the reason for this insulting train wreck.
He isn’t, despite the apparently prevailing view on this site. No action by Pence would or could have prevented Congress from verifying the certified results. Congress’ role is merely to verify that the votes were properly certified. The states elect the President. Their certifications are given deference. The President of the Senate’s role within that verification role is as pro forma as it gets.
Blame the states who certified results they knew to be or had reason to believe were suspect.
This post was edited on 7/22/21 at 6:00 pm
Posted on 7/22/21 at 5:59 pm to thermal9221
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never said that.
If you think anything will happen because of an audit you’re out of your mind.
I think it’s small minded to come to that conclusion.
Proof of fraud results in massive outrage and unrest.
I think what you mean is that there is no clear, predefined way to remedy the situation.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 6:11 pm to Indefatigable
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It leads to instability and lack of coherent policy.
We specifically chose not to do that.
Wut?
Its time to put the keyboard down. Wanna tell me how many impeachment actions there have been in the last 50 years? Eight.
Wanna know how many presidents there have been during that same time span? Nine. Obama was the only one, because, well, you know why.
You don't think those weren't specifically designed to push instability?
Posted on 7/22/21 at 6:12 pm to SDVTiger
Posted on 7/22/21 at 6:14 pm to mmcgrath
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They haven't released anything yet.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 6:15 pm to League Champs
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Wut?
I’ll ask you the same question. I have no idea what your post is about.
Mine was about the dangers of allowing the government to be upended on partisan whims.
My post has no bearing on any impeachment in the history of the United States, impeachment generally, President Obama, or anything that’s happened in the United States over the last fifty years—and neither does the post I was replying to. Seems like you are firing from the hip without considering the context of the posts you’re replying to.
The portion of my post that you quoted is implying that the instability created by allowing partisans to overthrow the government in the middle of a term is something we chose not to adopt.
ETA: If you think our constitutional impeachment process (which has never once resulted in the removal of a chief executive and does not in any way bring down the entire executive and legislative branches of government—just one person ) is analogous to snap elections/no confidence motions/minority governments and subsequent elections in parliamentary systems….then you need to spend some time on Wikipedia.
This post was edited on 7/22/21 at 6:26 pm
Posted on 7/22/21 at 6:19 pm to boosiebadazz
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California and New York don’t like what a Democratic president is proposing two years after they were elected? Threaten to decertify and have him removed form office.
Well, this is embarrassing. Even for you.
Decertify because you woke up on the wrong side of the bed? Really? Maybe learn words, next time
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decertify - disqualify, delegitimize
How do you decertify, if you have no legal proof? And if you had legal proof, why aren't you exposing yourself to fraud, in regards to the original certified?
This past election is about exposing the fraud that has been hidden, not about ratting myself out by throwing a temper tantrum.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 6:25 pm to Deke
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You’re nutz.
And you suck nutz, but we’re not judging you.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 6:34 pm to Indefatigable
It's only happened once, because Nixon resigned, And coward Senators wouldn't go after Clinton having lied under oath. But both of those sure as hell disrupted the executive branch, as did both trials of Trump, and Iran Contra did for Reagan.
And those were well into 2nd terms as opposed to Biden. This process should have been allowed to move along a whole lot quicker, with very little disruption if found fraudulent.
And those were well into 2nd terms as opposed to Biden. This process should have been allowed to move along a whole lot quicker, with very little disruption if found fraudulent.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 6:34 pm to Indefatigable
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He already did receive 270 certified electoral votes. The election was over on the day the certified EV’s were verified and counted by Congress.
Which is why Pelosi worked with Antifa, the FBI, and the Capitol Police to arrange an “insurrection” during the proceedings on Jan 6.
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